MourningDove

If I get in trouble for helping while mods are off then whats the point in reporting.

That's why I believe we need a mix of the two. I don't think vigilance should be rewarded, but when it comes to moments that are very situational (I.E: Banker being false warranted, admins are absent and/or too busy with the thousands of reports), the vigilant should be punished lightly. Pure formalism and pure justice are not good ideas but a mix is better. That's why I say we need to adjust as it feels like this server runs to much on pure formalism. Honestly the only justice side of the server is the administration being able to give the final word of the punishment. Thank you for your comment, it helps me see the other side.

Quick definitions before I start: Law: What is written in the community, social situation, server. Justice: What is right, usually formed when multiple members of a society/community, by common values/morals/or norms. My main issue relates to the Dark Rp as I've never really touched the Military RP. This rant is is related to an issue I recently have been week banned for and it's not the reason I'm writing this but it was the nail in the coffin. I think there is too much formalism when it comes to the rules. Now that's not bad but formalism often causes unjust situations, for example is my ban. I was a spartan countering a warrant on a banker so I killed the police who were raiding. I believe most would see that as justified. Than they warranted someone else and assuming they were false warranting, I decided to kill them again as they were having a string of false warrants, however due to my luck they actually had a valid reason. But this case doesn't stop there. That's only the Law evidence. The "victim" of the mass was recording, yet he had: edited clips, didn't give the whole clips, and cut off communication. The Justice evidence goes completely ignored. For example, the "victim" had multiple reports of NITRP, RDM'D me as Police chief (When I was mayor, and was refusing his false warrants), and had numerous trusted people (Admins, experienced players) against him. Hell he was even known for being a rule breaker but reporting the rules against people who tried to stop him. He exploits the Law portion. This means he has to not worry of the Justice side as no admins/mods/owners care for it. Yet I'm still getting banned for a bit because I thought what I did was justified. There also is another issue with pure Law mindsets in servers: Recording and data advantages. The "victim" in my case was able to record, I wasn't recording at the time nor could I capture the destruction with just a screenshot. He also has the advantage of editing out the parts where he does do wrong. Like he edited out any footage of him raiding a banker and all he has to respond with is "proof" and now I have nothing against him despite numerous people saying it, or me showing the admin that the dude is a banker. Pros and cons for pure formalism: -Law is stated and any form of breaking is punishable by stated punishment, easy on administration -Law makes it easy for those to quickly prove someone wrong with a simple piece of data if the opposing party doesn't -Easily exploitable through editing -Some data may show off what one says but could easily be a completely different story Pros and cons for a mixed justice: -Law states the punishment and that punishment stays, no adjustment. -If a party request evidence, that has/can be altered, from the opposing party than the opposing party must give the original/pure form of said evidence. -Parties who gather witnesses to prove their good intentions rather than proof of a crime committed (Example: Cop gets reported for RDA because they arrest a victim rather than the first shooter as they didn't see who shot first) -Witnesses should only be trusted (Experienced, non-bias, or administration, or those who were involved/included) (Example: The banker who I tried to save from the false warrant) -Those who have a sketchy background, exploit the rules, exploit their information may have their case dismantled if the opposing party and outside perspectives (witnesses/testimonies/logs/previous reports) shows they cannot be trusted. -Can be exploited if administration can't decided whose trusted -Can be exploited/altered by bias Pros and cons for pure Justice: -Punishments may be altered as a party may justify it's acts as righteous in common society perspective. -A victims background can prove their dishonesty -The top two can be reversed or exploited Just my rant. Take what it is. Make it better or completely degrade me. Make suggestions. And if you are the subject of the report I talked about: Don't bother.

I'm not a staff member I want the other warrants you still warranted and raided a banker killed me as Police Chief when I was mayor Saying your physically not capable is a cop out And you keep trying to "This evidence doesn't matter because you did this", You still broke multiple rules too, even if you have this one case as a reasonable warrant, you still have been false warranting and breaking other rules and clearly don't have the intent to roleplay.

We want the full clip, Toppo.

Yes, I want the reasons of these false warrants and all them. I also want your voice audio clips with your teammates throughout the whole day. Send it through a file and don't upload it if your worried about "upload" time. You ran into my crossfire.

It takes longer to edit, also you haven't gave evidence to the other warrants. Also why cut of a big chunk of the clip in the middle of the warrant. We need to see these warrants.

I want a full clip of that whole day, clearly you were recording the rest of the day since you have these clips. Because you never showed what the warrant for the BANKER was. I do believe you set it to prop block or just simply "prints". I know I kept getting warrant request as a mayor from you guys and you said the banker "propblocked". You also kept changing your name after every warrant, murder, or activity of suspicion. You also RDM'd as police chief when I mayor as I started to refuse your random warrants. During the sit: I don't believe there was anything wrong with Moldy he was attempting to do everything he can. But the fact you were consistent on getting me massed warned and punished really shows you didn't want my explanation of you false warrants. My piece: Ever got raided as a banker? Well it sucks when people who have the power to break walls break it down. There needs to be a rule where PD can stop other PD from false warrants ESPECIALLY on banks because the destruction can happen in three seconds. Like you can't just immediately report a false warrant without your base being rocked and you dying, you find it fun to have to restart to zero because some PD are going on a false warrant streak? I'm resting my "attmpt mass" on I was raiding with them, and they landed in my crossfire. Other things: -You guys warrant the gun dealer for the printer in the video yet you all go into the side room -He left his sit -I'm a she -His previous record stated by @The King of Rohan -His name changes and how they and his buddies were "byebyeprints" etc. -His rdm against me as police chief to mayor. -Clips and not the whole day or the reasons for the warrant -You can't hear a printer inside the base of the gun dealer base -You cut a fat clip out of the gun-dealer place when you haven't warranted him yet -You raided a Banker, which you should know since you read the rules so much, isn't raid-able. -Audio of you and your friends talking should not be edited. (-1) Lying, False warranting, altered clips