Fish's ban appeal.

[tonsofdamage54 4]

In-game name: Fish
SteamID (https://steamid.io/):STEAM_0:1:34259569
Staff members in-game name: rad Fish
Staff members SteamID (https://garnetgaming.net/darkrp/bans) (/id (name):STEAM_0:0:435633424
Date & Time of incident: 2022-02-09 - 13:26:04
Timezone: EST
Ban Reason: Filing reports against Fish. 
How long were you banned for?: 05-00:00
Proof of Ban: https://garnetgaming.net/darkrp/bans/
What happened? (include any proof): I cannot access the server logs, and no staff on the discord were willing to access the server logs to bring the reports into this post. To summarize I was approached by another player who offered to help orient me on the server, brought me into a building, told me to purchase the building, explaining to me how money printers, and some of the servers plugins worked. Then told me to use the 10k starting money on the server to buy money printers, and upon me purchasing them he picked them up, and  put them into the constructed boxes, then said "Money printers are illegal, so I'm arresting you." naturally I was a bit miffed at this turn of events, and filed a report in a effort to deal with the activity that was a combination of scamming, and violating the rules for his police officer role. Upon responding to the report Fish was extremely unhelpful, and rude. Listening to the person I'd reported story, then muting me when I attempted to explain my version of events. I threw my hands up with the affair at this point, as it was apparent that Fish was adamant in his interpretation that a police officer telling you to buy money printers, then arresting you didn't technically qualify as any sort of illegal activity as a police officer, scamming, or just general poor sportsmanship. 

He went above, and beyond just being rude and responding poorly to the report. When I told him that I wasn't going to have him yell at me while muted, and requested to leave he warned me for "Filing a false report" the first issue I have. Even if the rest of the staff sides with Fish's interpretation of events, and his ruling on the matter it's hardly fair to call my report false. Any sane person would acknowledge it at the very least falls into a grey area where someone could reasonably think the rules worked in that way. So I follow the prompt that appears any time you're removed from a sit instructing you to file a report about it. Then Fish responds to the report about himself. I point out to him that he has responded to a report about himself, and state my feelings on how I didn't feel it would be productive to respond to his own report. He informs me that he's fully able to review his own activities, and he did nothing wrong. So I stop responding to him, seeing it will go nowhere, and when he closes the sit I file another report, adding onto it the fact that he responded to the report about himself, which I saw as a clearly inappropriate act.  He warns me for filing a false report, citing his compete confidence in his innocence, and previous ruling adjudicating how he did nothing wrong, and how he recorded himself saying he did nothing wrong. 

This process repeats with him citing his previous clearing of himself of all wrongdoing responding to his own report while he has me server muted, attempting to lecture me on how he is the ultimate judge of his own conduct while I am unable to respond due to his server mute.  Following the prompt to file a report about the sit being frankly a silly event in which Fish repeatedly clears himself of any wrongdoing, and warns me for daring to file a report against him despite his past rulings on his conduct being clear evidence of his conduct being perfect until he bans me. 

Why should your ban be removed?: The server instructs you to file a report, I found his conduct inappropriate, his ruling suspect, and the  "Scam a new player out of all their money as a police officer telling people to buy money printers" being okay and reasonable cop RP ruling to be setting a bad precedent, and suspecting that it's more founded in his friendship with the other user than a legitimate interpretation of the rules. I found him responding to his own report to be very silly, and thought he had not given legitimate review to my critique of the potential implications of permitting police officer scamming RP and how the ruling of "Well if he just tells you to do something that's not him doing it." could be read to permit a number of stupid actions, instead simply saying "I'm right, and I know I'm right because I made the decision five seconds ago." Then him doing this multiple more times posing a obvious conflict of interest.

 

If you think mods should respond to reports about themselves, and it's not possible for you, or anyone on the staff team to make a bad ruling, misunderstand a situation, or act inappropriately, you should keep me banned. If you think at least some oversight, and a second opinion could prove valuable in assuring a positive user experience, and feel that simply filing reports about staff misconduct (which is literally the only thing I've been accused of, filing reports that Fish didn't think were valid.) is not a bannable offense, and that staff shouldn't be banning people for filing a report against them, then you'll likely come down on the removing the ban side. 

P.S. Comon guys, obviously you shouldn't answer a report about yourself and go "I didn't do anything wrong lol your falsely reporting me" everyone knows that. This is silly. 

[xFish 394]

Will be responding to this post after I get off of work.

Edited February 10, 2022 by xFish
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[xFish 394]

Since you don't really have proof there isn't much for me to say, however I will defend myself because I don't tolerate the slander of the xFish name.

So, I'm just going to go through each of your sentences, and uh provide my counterpoint to them. In your first sentence you talk about reaching out to staff ect by the time you did logs probably reset. So that's most likely why you didn't get a complete response.

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

Then told me to use the 10k starting money on the server to buy money printers, and upon me purchasing them he picked them up, and  put them into the constructed boxes, then said "Money printers are illegal, so I'm arresting you." naturally I was a bit miffed at this turn of events, and filed a report in a effort to deal with the activity that was a combination of scamming, and violating the rules for his police officer role.

Just a reminder, you never told me this during a sit. In fact whenever I had tried to ask what happened you started to speak louder and talk over me, hence the mute.

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

as it was apparent that Fish was adamant in his interpretation that a police officer telling you to buy money printers, then arresting you didn't technically qualify as any sort of illegal activity as a police officer, scamming, or just general poor sportsmanship. 

I'ma stop you right there chief, watch this clip for me rq: https://streamable.com/bwu0a0
You can see as I'm being perfectly civil even though you are constantly interrupting me.

At the end of this clip you can see his message where he says, "I've turned off my sound until I'm untmuted" Whereas I promptly returned, resolved, and warned because he clearly did not want to listen to me.

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

. Any sane person would acknowledge it at the very least falls into a grey area where someone could reasonably think the rules worked in that way

Any sane person would listen or at least hear out a person who obviously knows how the rules work?

 

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

Then Fish responds to the report about himself. I point out to him that he has responded to a report about himself, and state my feelings on how I didn't feel it would be productive to respond to his own report. He informs me that he's fully able to review his own activities, and he did nothing wrong. So I stop responding to him, seeing it will go nowhere

I've already responded to this in the player v staff report, however I will include the sit below:https://streamable.com/kl8yty
Again, perfectly civil, explaining that Moon was handling another sit at the time. I was simply trying to find out what was going on so that I could assist.
 

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

and when he closes the sit I file another report, adding onto it the fact that he responded to the report about himself, which I saw as a clearly inappropriate act.  He warns me for filing a false report, citing his compete confidence in his innocence, and previous ruling adjudicating how he did nothing wrong, and how he recorded himself saying he did nothing wrong. 

This process repeats with him citing his previous clearing of himself of all wrongdoing responding to his own report while he has me server muted, attempting to lecture me on how he is the ultimate judge of his own conduct while I am unable to respond due to his server mute.  Following the prompt to file a report about the sit being frankly a silly event in which Fish repeatedly clears himself of any wrongdoing, and warns me for daring to file a report against him despite his past rulings on his conduct being clear evidence of his conduct being perfect until he bans me. 

Bro what, I didn't even take the next one. Moon did. And I unmuted you after the first sit so you can't even claim that-Last bit of evidence:https://streamable.com/2zsrs1
Also also: you were server muted the whole time huh?

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

ent, and suspecting that it's more founded in his friendship with the other user than a legitimate interpretation of the rules

Now I'm not positive, however I'm like 95% I banned the other guy today too for a rdming someone. If he was my friend, or in my party, I wouldnt have been able to take that sit. Because that's how staffing works.

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

"Well if he just tells you to do something that's not him doing it." could be read to permit a number of stupid actions, instead simply saying "I'm right, and I know I'm right because I made the decision five seconds ago."

Literally never said either of these.

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

Then him doing this multiple more times posing a obvious conflict of interest.

YOU. REPORTED. ME! That's how a report works chief, we both get pulled onto the same roof to talk about our problems.

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

If you think mods should respond to reports about themselves, and it's not possible for you, or anyone on the staff team to make a bad ruling, misunderstand a situation, or act inappropriately, you should keep me banned. If you think at least some oversight, and a second opinion could prove valuable in assuring a positive user experience, and feel that simply filing reports about staff misconduct (which is literally the only thing I've been accused of, filing reports that Fish didn't think were valid.) is not a bannable offense, and that staff shouldn't be banning people for filing a report against them, then you'll likely come down on the removing the ban side. 

A certain someone says I have to be respectful here so uh not gonna comment.

 

3 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

P.S. Comon guys, obviously you shouldn't answer a report about yourself and go "I didn't do anything wrong lol your falsely reporting me" everyone knows that. This is silly. 

Again, never said either of these, please recheck your nonexistant footage to find me saying these.

IF anything should happen, I believe this ban should actually be updated to NITRP+LTAP given in the last clip he killed himself so many times while Moon and myself were both trying to speak to him, however I'll leave that to whoever responds to this appeal.

 

 

roasted, toasted, and fileted Fish.

[tonsofdamage54 4]

I can repeat myself in circles, and point out that whole "Missing everything before, and after that one minute" being extremely suspicions, and how the clips show everything I'm saying about what happened to be accurate, then he just mysteriously leaves out the parts where he claims something else happened despite claiming to have the whole thing recorded in his other post. In the interest of brevity since repeating myself won't likely help I'll just point out the core of the issue here. 

 

He claims it'd be inappropriate for him to respond to a call if it was his friend (He didn't ban him, you can check.) , but also denies I have any right to request that someone other than him review a report about him, and claims I'm filing false reports if I disagree with his capacity to respond impartially to a report about him. Does this sound like a reasonable decision to anyone?

1 hour ago, xFish said:

Now I'm not positive, however I'm like 95% I banned the other guy today too for a rdming someone. If he was my friend, or in my party, I wouldnt have been able to take that sit. Because that's how staffing works.

 

[Guest proggy]

Denied

xFish did nothing wrong. Even when he initially took a report on himself, he unclaimed it and had another staff take it.
He was trying to help you out & you simply weren't cooperating.
If you took 2 minutes to open your ears instead of trying to talk over people, this whole situation could have been avoided.

In the videos xFish provided, a ban for NITRP is valid since you wont even cooperate in your own reports, and you are overall just wasting staffs time.


 

5 hours ago, tonsofdamage54 said:

responding to his own report while he has me server muted, attempting to lecture me on how he is the ultimate judge of his own conduct while I am unable to respond due to his server mute.

This is false. ^^^^^  (unproven, no evidence)

This is true. vvvvv  (backed with evidence)

1 hour ago, xFish said:

 https://streamable.com/bwu0a0
You can see as I'm being perfectly civil even though you are constantly interrupting me.

Next time you find yourself on a roof with staff members, simply explain your situation, and allow them to clear things up. 
• Don't stubbornly talk over them when things in the report don't go your way. That should keep you from getting muted.
• Don't say "im muting my game until im unmuted" after being justifiably muted.
• Don't suicide 20 times to try and leave the roof when they are still trying to make sure you understand things.

[Guest proggy]

Updating this ban to 6 months since this user can't handle his 4 day ban and instead DM'd several staff harassing them to "check the logs" while having 0 clue what logs they have access to.

To any staff being spammed by this individual: feel free to block them and move on with your day.