Omelette's Ban Appeal

[Omelette 1]

In-game name: Omelette 
SteamID (https://steamid.io/): STEAM_0:1:159758788
Staff members in-game name: Ethan
Staff members SteamID (/id (name): Ethan | GarnetGaming.net(STEAM_0:0:146463742)
Date & Time of incident: 2019-07-23 - 16:42:36
Timezone: GMT+1
Ban Reason: MassRDM 
How long were you banned for?: 2 Weeks
Proof of Ban: 
What happened? (include any proof): Few minutes before a war, I decided to buy a Crowbar and swing it around as I usually do, Somehow I find that funny. After messing around with some friends.. I had the idea of me standing still and swing the crowbar and See if anyone want to walk up to me and get damaged.. Did that and Surprisingly some people actually walked up to it. Some actually wanted to die to restore health and such.. After attending Debrief and waiting at the gate to go to the War.. I pulled the crowbar and used Console command +attack to automaticly swing the crowbar while I am doing something, People noticed it and started walking up to it knowing that it will damage/kill them.. I believe Ethan was there and nicely asked me to knock it off. He walked up to the crowbar and got him self killed which made the situation even more worse.
Why should your ban be removed?:

When I got asked to stop the action by staff, especially a Manager. I didn't like the idea since I prefer a proper reason or explanation for why I should stop it. If you think it's considered to be as  a RDM. Might be true on any staff's Kill logs. But not from my own Prespective. For me RDM on standard explanation is: Don't kill anyone without a proper RP reason. Meaning even massacring your friends for the sake of having fun is prohibited.. As it can give bad vibe to the server especially for the new-comers. But my case here is quite special. As I was standing doing nothing but swinging my Crowbar, reminding you that I wasn't chasing anyone but it was the player's choice. Using Common sense people should stay away and ignore the incident until it pass since I am not harming anyone nor standing in a way forcing them to walk past me.For me This is a way for me to have fun without ruining anyone's experience.

You might ask why I am making a appeal after a week passing from my ban.. My answer is very simple, been busy lately with work and preparations. So I didn't have the time, Yes I know I can just ignore it. But to be honest I can't help keeping it without actually discussing it. Appealing against a Manger might be impossible but I don't see why we wouldn't do that. All I want to know is where I am mistaken and who I harmed.

[Ebichu 85]

-1, you admitted to MassRDM.

 

 

P.S If a manager tells you to stop you should probably stop.

[Omelette 1]

7 minutes ago, Ebichu said:

-1, you admitted to MassRDM.

To be honest I am having hard time finding the part where I admitted MassRDM, because yet I am still confused whether you think swinging a Crowbar and people walking up to it. Is considered to be RDM.

7 minutes ago, Ebichu said:

P.S If a manager tells you to stop you should probably stop.

Doesn't really help much? I am looking for answers here ^^

[Lex_ 506]

2 hours ago, Omelette said:

Crowbar and people walking up to it. Is considered to be RDM.

Consensual RDM is still RDM. You shouldn't have left your player wildly swinging a crowbar around, not only is it against the rules if somebody dies from your crowbar (your player is still dealing the damage) but people will purposefully walk into it attempting to get you in trouble. Who would ever think that you wouldn't get in trouble for people killing themselves on an idle player who is continuously attacking? Here's a comparable argument: I got banned because my account was hacked and somebody cheated on it. I just found this server and wanted to try it out. That person isn't getting unbanned because your account security is your responsibility; same as how going idle with +attack on, whatever happens is on you.

Staff aren't going to tell you to stop doing something unless it is something that can be taken to a sit, reported by another player, or otherwise against the rules that you can find on this forum.

 

This boils down to something that should be seen as common sense, especially with a rule where even consensual RDM with friends is still prohibited. This is likely to be denied. You also admitted to MassRDM, only you did it indirectly, but it is still there. Now your argument is that people should have the common sense to stay away from a player who is idle and attacking, but that isn't valid in this scope. It is entirely irresponsible to leave +attack on when you go idle with any type of weapon out. If you died and managed to respawn, but +attack was still active so you end up shooting down a hallway that potentially has other people spawning in it too. So many things are wrong with this situation.

[Ebichu 85]

1 hour ago, Fier said:

Consensual RDM is still RDM. You shouldn't have left your player wildly swinging a crowbar around, not only is it against the rules if somebody dies from your crowbar (your player is still dealing the damage) but people will purposefully walk into it attempting to get you in trouble. Who would ever think that you wouldn't get in trouble for people killing themselves on an idle player who is continuously attacking? Here's a comparable argument: I got banned because my account was hacked and somebody cheated on it. I just found this server and wanted to try it out. That person isn't getting unbanned because your account security is your responsibility; same as how going idle with +attack on, whatever happens is on you.

Staff aren't going to tell you to stop doing something unless it is something that can be taken to a sit, reported by another player, or otherwise against the rules that you can find on this forum.

 

This boils down to something that should be seen as common sense, especially with a rule where even consensual RDM with friends is still prohibited. This is likely to be denied. You also admitted to MassRDM, only you did it indirectly, but it is still there. Now your argument is that people should have the common sense to stay away from a player who is idle and attacking, but that isn't valid in this scope. It is entirely irresponsible to leave +attack on when you go idle with any type of weapon out. If you died and managed to respawn, but +attack was still active so you end up shooting down a hallway that potentially has other people spawning in it too. So many things are wrong with this situation.

To sum this one up for you in simple words, you basically got baited and you should have known people were gonna walk into it and get you in trouble...

[huskaii 586]

59 minutes ago, Ebichu said:

To sum this one up for you in simple words, you basically got baited and you should have known people were gonna walk into it and get you in trouble...

^^^^^

-1 (You shouldn't just go AFK with +attack on next time lmao)

[Omelette 1]

2 hours ago, Fier said:

Consensual RDM is still RDM. You shouldn't have left your player wildly swinging a crowbar around, not only is it against the rules if somebody dies from your crowbar (your player is still dealing the damage) but people will purposefully walk into it attempting to get you in trouble. Who would ever think that you wouldn't get in trouble for people killing themselves on an idle player who is continuously attacking? Here's a comparable argument: I got banned because my account was hacked and somebody cheated on it. I just found this server and wanted to try it out. That person isn't getting unbanned because your account security is your responsibility; same as how going idle with +attack on, whatever happens is on you.

Staff aren't going to tell you to stop doing something unless it is something that can be taken to a sit, reported by another player, or otherwise against the rules that you can find on this forum.

 

This boils down to something that should be seen as common sense, especially with a rule where even consensual RDM with friends is still prohibited. This is likely to be denied. You also admitted to MassRDM, only you did it indirectly, but it is still there. Now your argument is that people should have the common sense to stay away from a player who is idle and attacking, but that isn't valid in this scope. It is entirely irresponsible to leave +attack on when you go idle with any type of weapon out. If you died and managed to respawn, but +attack was still active so you end up shooting down a hallway that potentially has other people spawning in it too. So many things are wrong with this situation.

Now that's what I have been looking for ^^ Well yeah after looking at what you said, it starts to make sense even more. Thanks for having time to reply to this thread, Truly appreciate it.

[Harris 112]

(-1)In my position that I’ve been in many time wether the RDM is on accident or consensual it’s still RDM no matter how it boils down to I’ve been in this position before so no matter how this turns out you might as well just wait for the last week to end or unless someone decides to unban you

[Trip 61]

DENIED

6 hours ago, Omelette said:

I had the idea of me standing still and swing the crowbar and See if anyone want to walk up to me and get damaged.. Did that and Surprisingly some people actually walked up to it.

6 hours ago, Omelette said:

+attack to automaticly swing the crowbar while I am doing something, People noticed it and started walking up to it knowing that it will damage/kill them

Even just damaging three or more people is still a mass RDM ban. Even consensual RDM with friends is still considered RDM. The fact that you stated you were damaging/killing people obviously tells me that you probably damaged way more than just three people. I understand maybe if you were playing with friends and you didnt understand its still RDM, but running around with +attack on is a good way to get yourself banned for mass. Especially after killing a manager with it.

@Phantom @Ethan  Please move and lock.