Knoxx ban appeal

[Anon10011 37]

The topic, or reason for this has not changed or shifted what so ever. This are all things that need to be considered as this is one of the biggest punishments other then perma ban ( why would I have ace in my base for no reason, as I get upset with anyone bothering during my building and setting up my base, ace was in there for a reason just as he has stated, considering being in a party would totally get rid of 1 of the deaths that still leaves 2 deaths 1 of which as you stated there was no proof of, that being said it would of came down to 1 sit with maple and that would of been the decided factor. 

Just for maple however seeing as you can't report for other people ( Phil ) 

The subject has not changed because ace was in the base before Phil and Maple ran in meaning I would have ( if there was ) put him into my party this getting rid of the third death causing the so called "MRDM"  down to the RDM on Maple ( again seeing as what you said there was no proof in the first sit, I understand what I said in the video however just because I'm upset with one of my friend ( as you can see I also killed empty furbar which is also my friend ) it wouldn't mean anything of the sort because there is no system in place for me to put my friend in a friendly fire mode. 

 

No party is going to end up with people getting frustrated while trying to get things done, however this all because there is no party system In place which is why this wouldn't of happend, there's nothing that happened in the first sit, which means it's null because of no proof as you said meaning that sit for RDM is null,  ( also when we were in the first sit you explained to him that I can't NLR my self when I die from killing my self )            so then there leaves the sit with maple ( 1 rdm on him because I had no sign when he was a spartan and ran into my base )       a party system would negate the third and final kill as null which was by mistake on my friend ghost ( which I have proof of in screen shots of him saying he doesn't mind ) not knowing I was being recorded doesn't negate what I said in the sit and what happened in the situation of how this all occured which is why I think it's unfair because getting rid of the third mistaken kill on my friend ( who was in my base and supposed to printer farm along with me ) would of left 1 rdm on Maple 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Anon10011

[PapaKrabbe 40]

 Okay I know I said that last post would be the last time I clarified, but I cannot allow for such a fundamental misunderstanding of this situation and falsifying of the information. There's evidence for all three kills in the first post I made, as well as an admittance that you rdmed all three of them for the same reason in that clip I provided, which I now believe you have not watched as you would know it's very clearly said. I also find it interesting how Ace went from a bother to you while you were building, to someone you were basing with, to a party member. Once again, the fact that ghost doesn't mind and screenshots of him saying so do not matter, as I've stated multiple times and has been stated in multiple appeals before, consensual RDM is still RDM. I find the fact that you say he was basing with you to be untrue according to how you acted about it during the sit, and I'm not sure how it would be a coincidence for you to say you "accidentally killed him" and also say at the same time you were "upset with him right now" and killed him for that reason (I can clip this if need be, But it seems rather irrelevant as it's RDM either way)

The lack of a friendly fire system is not a shield to be hidden behind even if you were in his party, as the lack of this system does not give you the ability to say "Well I had to kill him because there is no friendly fire in the party system" since I do not believe his death was accidental based off of what you originally said (I'm sticking with your original story, which has changed and is evident by reading these posts)

Maple was not reporting for someone else, there was already a report on you in which there was not enough evidence. When Maple reported you, there was evidence of both RDMs, and you would have been punished for both until you said that you killed Ace for the same reason (In the clip which is very audible, once again at 0:14,)

 I do not appreciate how your view keeps shifting rapidly, as at first you said this

14 hours ago, Anon10011 said:

Why should your ban be removed?: Because this is the first time I've been banned. This should of been a warn x2 and or warn / jail x2 instead it was a sit with NFA Phil ( no punishment was done) and then a second report with NFA Maple ( which I was got banned for 2 weeks)   I have the screen shots of Ghost saying I didn't RDM <<<<< him. Side note( When in the first sit with Phil I was trying to explain to him, when him and Maple ran into my base that I was getting ready to set up printers) the sit with Phil ended and we went on with our nights.

3 hours ago, Anon10011 said:

This wouldn't have even happen in the first place. No ban.    Just a warn and jail also seeing as how nothing happened in the first sit, it would of have had to been up to the staff taking the sits opinion of the situation that took place to bring the sit to a roof because then it would of been only 2 deaths.   There is no system on the server to help that cause. Meaning anyone on the server can report for the same thing and get different punishments then what I received. 

and now you're saying this 

1 hour ago, Anon10011 said:

No party is going to end up with people getting frustrated while trying to get things done, however this all because there is no party system In place which is why this wouldn't of happend, there's nothing that happened in the first sit, which means it's null because of no proof as you said meaning that sit for RDM is null,  ( also when we were in the first sit you explained to him that I can't NLR my self when I die from killing my self )            so then there leaves the sit with maple ( 1 rdm on him because I had no sign when he was a spartan and ran into my base )       a party system would negate the third and final kill as null which was by mistake on my friend ghost ( which I have proof of in screen shots of him saying he doesn't mind ) not knowing I was being recorded doesn't negate what I said in the sit and what happened in the situation of how this all occured which is why I think it's unfair because getting rid of the third mistaken kill on my friend ( who was in my base and supposed to printer farm along with me ) would of left 1 rdm on Maple 

This not only just looks like you trying to limit your punishment as much as possible, but is clear evidence of you, as I've said, changing your story. 

 

As I explained before, it would appear you have another misunderstanding of how reports work so once again let me clarify: If you are reported for RDM and no evidenc is found, and then you are reported for RDM and evidence is found of MassRDM, you will be banned. Just because Phil reported you for RDM and his sit was resolved does not make his RDM "null" because that is simply not how it works. To give an example, if you murder someone and are tried, and then are found innocent, you will be free. If you murder someone again, and there is evidence presented for both murders, you do not suddenly become a murderer (RDMer), you already were on when you killed the first person and shall be punished as such (Not exactly how courts work but the analogy clearly works). You were not found innocent when there was not enough evidence, you were simply found as not guilty within a reasonable doubt. When you were proven as such, you were banned accordingly. I am 100% certain that all the kills were RDM, the only question in my mind is whether this should be shortened to unintentional or not, but in no way do I support an unban. In essence what I'm saying is, just because you say these things does not make them true, the evidence is there and what you said originally differs from what you are now saying. 

 

Whatever staff resolves this appeal can contact me for the full video of both sits, I'll be happy to show you, but the evidence I've supplied is more than enough to justify the ban, as the only counter-evidence is hearsay.

[Anon10011 37]

With the video: I have watched and understand what I said when I was explaining it to to maple I was trying to remember what happened because ghost was in my base from the start, " that's why I killed all 3 of you " when I'm running around my base and trying to get rid of 2 people that are not supposed to be in my base misfire can happen.   Just because I didn't state it by voice I " however I killed ghost by mistake " was not being brought up into the conversation or thought because ghost is my friend " that's the reason I killed all 3 of you from running in my base " when frustrated over something and not knowing about being recorded and also knowning that me killing my friend by mistake I'm not going to bring up that I killed my friend by mistake ( when maple typed in chat " so 3 people?" ) The first thing in my mind was not going to be " oh but I wanted to let you know ghost is my friend".

I have let ghost base with me for over 4 days now ( including at my spawn base ) he's going from  some random, do my base mate, to my friend, etc I'm clear with what I'm saying that I have had him on steam and allow him to base and farm his printers with me whenever. 

 

Party: This is not a shield, this is not a " what if" this is a literal thing that would change the whole course of this situation, this is not something I'm just throwing up in the air. It's the reason for this exact sit and outcome with 3 deaths for MRDM, because this can happen again ( 2 randoms 1 friend) with the random reporting  there is nothing protecting that third kill my friend from being killed by mistake. It wouldn't make any sense why it wouldn't come into play. 

 

For the reports: as I've seen and been in multipul reports with people breaking mass nlr and rdming me I've never seen a case where someone that reports someone for someone's else's death ( reagurdless of the timer for both deaths  ) gets punished for it just like no witnesses you can't report on someone else's behalf and they were not in a party so it wouldn't of have  been together, these are 2 separate people making 2 separate reports. As the first sit ended with a turn from rdm to breaking my own NLR.  Then another sit for RDM in which I killed maple just because I stated that I killed all 3 during the time that it happened ( 1 being my friend and my base mate but how can you tell with no friendly fire system ) how would make it seem my intention was to mass rdm all 3 people none the less when the times I killed all 3 ghosts was last I didn't realize I did at first when in the video was way after the fact of when it all happened which is why I was trying to remember " when did I killed you oh ..oh ..yeah that's right " it was almost a full minute after the second death.   When trying to get someone out of your base ( because there's no party there's. I way to tell ) you shoot first ask question later.

 

 

 

Trying to "set " my punishment: No, I am someone who doesn't break rules, I sit and my base for hours and hours not doing nothing but my own thing I don't bother anyone and report an extreme amount of mass NlRing people, mass prop blockers, etc I don't have a warn to my account to date and have been fasly banned twice. I'm not someone who goes around and is well known for breaking the rules, each sit I've seen most reports that it has been all about the staffs opinion on the situation and the person them self, as I stated before this is a very big punishment for something that happened very quickly with me at the end saying " do what you have to do " that having in mind waiting for my warns / jails . Seeing as there was no third sit I wasn't in the mind set of " I'm about to get banned" this is right under perma ban and doesn't make sense seeing a as how I'm not a new person, known person with a record, of staff member with a record. I'm a player who for 1 or 3k hours ( forgot how many I have ) has never been warned stacked, jailed only 3 times in the history of being here, and has fasely been banned twice. I don't do anything other then help keep the server clean and support it the best way I can. If my intent was to break rules all the time or coming back from a history of nasty crap that I've done then I would agree with you're punishment 100% and there would not be 2 pages to this post. However a semi max ban is something I think is unfair with everything that has happened and also the big block of how there is no system for my to ( claim ) which friend of mine is in my base, my friend in general, someone who's with me in my base without having to advert it, clearly state it, or in this case worry about being recorded and not thinking that killing my friend would be the reason for me being banned ( take the third death away and what do you have ) and with the party system that is in place now it still wouldn't have mattered because there is no friendly fire system that flaw caused me to be banned ( and anyone else that has the same situational sit as I had in the same position ) that is the only reason I am bringing the party up. 

 

What I said: yes I know I have brought up ghost multipul of times, the reaaon I have explained him in different scenarios and ways is because of his comment ( I'm his friend and didn't care about the kill ) that along shows enough that he has been with me, has been my friend and has based with me more then once, and knows he's welcome to run into my base and come join me / ask me to come into my base. Which at first when he was on the server he did he's been in there and is the reason why he got killed by mistake again I have seen the video and seen the screen shots with the times attached in the logs, if ghost was a random person then I would have understood all of this however ghost has been my friend for some days now and was the reason why he was in my base in the first place. I'm trying to make it clear and so was he in his comments, his person his account his death is the MRDM requirement for a 2 week ban you get rid of his death then thats rdm x2 ( if the first sit had a warn and or jail as the punishment ) and again comes down to the staff making the report, thoughts about the person being reported, and what the staff wants to do in that sit. If the party was actively working then by all means ghost would have been fine. However the thrid person that got killed has stated he was in the knowning ( how can consensual rdm count if there's no party system to outcast that )  and didn't mind it which is why a third report ( most reason for why the MRDM ban goes through  not just a 1st .sit with not enough proof to a second sit that has enough proof for 2 week ban ) that is how I've seen reports done and have witnessed reports being done 

 

 

Side note: I will be going to bed soon so I will reply in the morning 

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by Anon10011

[DiegoZavier 612]

Accepted 

Seems to me as this a massive misunderstanding, if ghost was his party member/base member I wouldn't count him as the 3rd kill.

Ghost has said this kill wasn't meant to happen.

There will be no formal punishment against @PapaKrabbe.

Your ban has now been removed and we apologize for the inconvenience.