Redefine "Mass Propspam"

[Edna :) 37]

Preface: 

Hello Garnet gamers, I am here today to propose to you the solution to an issue which has been plaguing our community for quite a while now, the misconception of "mass propspam." 

The Issue:

As it stands now, 5-10+ people are banned per day for anywhere from 1-3 months for the concept of "mass propspam," but 8/10 times, this is not the case. From my observations, several of these cases are given this dictation because of staff having personal or professional agenda against players, either that, or they just want the empowerment of banning somebody for such an outrageous amount of time just to feel powerful. 

• Mass Propspam, the definition: One thing that staff seem to misunderstand on numerous occasions is the difference between singular propspam and Mass Propspam. The reason that Mass Propspam Is such a major offense is because its original reason for being a bannable offense was because the server would crash if you repeatedly spawned props.

Propspam - The repeated spawning of props on a small scale, without malicious intentions or intent to crash/lag the server. (Punishable by jail/warnings.)

Mass Propspam - The repeated spawning of props on a massive scale (across several districts/bases,) typically with intentions to cause lag and or crash the server. (Punishable by 1-3 months ban.)

• Stacker tool: Stacker tool is commonly misinterpreted for mass propspam by staff, and people have been banned simply for stacking too many props using the tool. Stacker has been specifically cultivated to not cause crashing and/or lag to the server when used, and therefore, should void propspam charges. ( @Garnet Confirm this?)

My solution: In the Rules, D3A guide, (both in the staff docs and on the forums,) and all other official documents, there is no direct dictation that rules the terms and conditions which justify a Mass propspam ban; I suggest that we create official guidelines that determine that mass propspam refers to the spam which is intended to lag/crash the server and is done in a wide area or across several districts. I say that we break it up into 3 distinct types:

• Propspam - 0-20 props which are spammed within milliseconds of each other. (Punishable by a warning/Jail time)

• Mass Propspam - Anywhere from 20 props onward spammed repeatedly in a public street and/or across several districts/areas. (1 month ban, 2-3 depending on severity.) With intentions to crash/lag the server.

• Stacker tool - Stacking anywhere from 0-∞ props using the stacker tool, as it does no damage to the server, has no punishment.

Conclusion: As long as we have a ban which can be extended up to 3 months, staff can and will abuse it to fuel their egos and feel authoritative, that, and to get rid of players that they don't like. Adding a more strict set of conditions to this term can save many players unnecessary ban time, and not have staff abuse their ability to ban someone for spawning a couple of props in succession. 

 

Thank you.

 

Edited April 19, 2019 by Edna :)

[eXg-Buddha 729]

I don't think anyone bans to boost their egos. You and your friends who are often on the forums talk about "egos" and staff banning other players out of spite, yet you never have any visual proof of this, nor do you specify which staff member did this. If you think there are certain staff members abusing their privileges, then by all means contact me on discord @ BreadGod#7590. Stacker tool I completely agree with. I had accidentally banned someone on my first day as staff because I had mistaken stacker for a mass propspam. Every. Single. Staff. I trained I have told to always teleport to the reporter player if it deals with props. It is not good enough to look at logs in order to determine if a player is mass propspamming or not. I do agree with you that people tend to be banned falsely for mass propspam, however, we do have a reports and appeals section on the forums for a reason. Most of the time, it's our newer staff members who misunderstand the rules, yet I don't see complaints about them. A simple message via forums or discord would tremendously help not only the player's experience, but help our staff team to better themselves in the process. What I do not agree with is the definition of propspam. Propspam is not 20 props - it's much less than that. About 5 props is prospam enough, if you meaninglessly place them around the map or in a confined area within a short amount of time. Mass propspam is more than 10 props placed in a confined area or across the map. Yes, there are clarifications and specifications and Ts to cross and Is to dot, but almost every single case of mass propspam is pretty straightforward. Our staff team is trained to work effectively and efficiently to deal with these problems as soon as possible. 

Once again, I want to make this clear. Although a suggestion DOES go a long way, talking to a higher up such as myself about a staff complaint goes farther. I have no problem whatsoever about anyone coming to me with a concern regarding the staff team. I really do appreciate you taking the time to make a neat and actually non-toxic post on the forums in order to help the community, but I don't agree on the suggestion itself. I do agree that the staff team does need to be better informed and trained on how to deal with these situations, and I will work to get this information to everyone and hopefully hold a briefing soon. 

TL;DR 

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Edited April 19, 2019 by eXg-Buddha

[Edna :) 37]

16 minutes ago, eXg-Buddha said:

I don't think anyone bans to boost their egos. You and your friends who are often on the forums talk about "egos" and staff banning other players out of spite, yet you never have any visual proof of this, nor do you specify which staff member did this. If you think there are certain staff members abusing their privileges, then by all means contact me on discord @ BreadGod#7590. Stacker tool I completely agree with. I had accidentally banned someone on my first day as staff because I had mistaken stacker for a mass propspam. Every. Single. Staff. I trained I have told to always teleport to the reporter player if it deals with props. It is not good enough to look at logs in order to determine if a player is mass propspamming or not. I do agree with you that people tend to be banned falsely for mass propspam, however, we do have a reports and appeals section on the forums for a reason. Most of the time, it's our newer staff members who misunderstand the rules, yet I don't see complaints about them. A simple message via forums or discord would tremendously help not only the player's experience, but help our staff team to better themselves in the process. What I do not agree with is the definition of propspam. Propspam is not 20 props - it's much less than that. About 5 props is prospam enough, if you meaninglessly place them around the map or in a confined area within a short amount of time. Mass propspam is more than 10 props placed in a confined area or across the map. Yes, there are clarifications and specifications and Ts to cross and Is to dot, but almost every single case of mass propspam is pretty straightforward. Our staff team is trained to work effectively and efficiently to deal with these problems as soon as possible. 

Once again, I want to make this clear. Although a suggestion DOES go a long way, talking to a higher up such as myself about a staff complaint goes farther. I have no problem whatsoever about anyone coming to me with a concern regarding the staff team. I really do appreciate you taking the time to make a neat and actually non-toxic post on the forums in order to help the community, but I don't agree on the suggestion itself. I do agree that the staff team does need to be better informed and trained on how to deal with these situations, and I will work to get this information to everyone and hopefully hold a briefing soon. 

TL;DR 

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@Fetn This post pertains to you.

[Fetn 1,217]

Alright Edna thanks for the in dept of mass prop spam.

[Fetn 1,217]

@Edna :)

[eXg-Buddha 729]

46 minutes ago, Edna said:

@Fetn This post pertains to you.

Do you have any evidence or are you just making blank claims

[Exotic 115]

2 hours ago, Edna said:

Mass Propspam, the definition: One thing that staff seem to misunderstand on numerous occasions is the difference between singular propspam and Mass Propspam. The reason that Mass Propspam Is such a major offense is because its original reason for being a bannable offense was because the server would crash if you repeatedly spawned props

A mass propspam ban is bannable with like 8+ props in a short amount of time. For Example: 

2 hours ago, Edna said:

Stacker tool: Stacker tool is commonly misinterpreted for mass propspam by staff, and people have been banned simply for stacking too many props using the tool. Stacker has been specifically cultivated to not cause crashing and/or lag to the server when used, and therefore, should void propspam charges.

The stacker tool has a spam protection on it so staff should be checking the tools logs before banning for mass propspam anyways. 

2 hours ago, Edna said:

Propspam - 0-20 props which are spammed within milliseconds of each other. (Punishable by a warning/Jail time)

• Mass Propspam - Anywhere from 20 props onward spammed repeatedly in a public street and/or across several districts/areas. (1 month ban, 2-3 depending on severity.) With intentions to crash/lag the server.

 

The way on how mass propspam is setup for is setup like that for a reason. Before staff are able to sits they are asked the difference between mass propspam and propspam and givin the correct term of each 1 and the difference for each 1.  Most people who do mass propspam are just minging trying to find a way to get them selves banned or to just annoy people and they get caught do in it and then get hit with a 1-2 month ban. For mass propspam for me personally since it is a 1-2 month ban I usally do 1 month if its mass propspam but its not as bad but 2 months if its really bad or they leave.

 

2 hours ago, Edna said:

As long as we have a ban which can be extended up to 3 months, staff can and will abuse it to fuel their egos and feel authoritative, that, and to get rid of players that they don't like.

It is recommenced for staff to take screenshots of anytime they warn/ban a player to provide proof in a forums report if reported or else with no proof or the proof shown is false the report/appeal would be accepted. Every staff member should be "trained" on how to deal with mass propspam just depends on how the hr member training them deals with mass propspam.

Edited April 19, 2019 by Exotic

[Edna :) 37]

14 hours ago, Exotic said:

A mass propspam ban is bannable with like 8+ props in a short amount of time. For Example: 

The stacker tool has a spam protection on it so staff should be checking the tools logs before banning for mass propspam anyways. 

The way on how mass propspam is setup for is setup like that for a reason. Before staff are able to sits they are asked the difference between mass propspam and propspam and givin the correct term of each 1 and the difference for each 1.  Most people who do mass propspam are just minging trying to find a way to get them selves banned or to just annoy people and they get caught do in it and then get hit with a 1-2 month ban. For mass propspam for me personally since it is a 1-2 month ban I usally do 1 month if its mass propspam but its not as bad but 2 months if its really bad or they leave.

 

It is recommenced for staff to take screenshots of anytime they warn/ban a player to provide proof in a forums report if reported or else with no proof or the proof shown is false the report/appeal would be accepted. Every staff member should be "trained" on how to deal with mass propspam just depends on how the hr member training them deals with mass propspam.

"Mass Propspam" in that regard can and does happen accidentally, if you spawn props quickly the staff can ban you for 1-3 MONTHS, that's too long for an accident. oftentimes it happens when a player is building so its never recorded.

[eXg-Buddha 729]

13 minutes ago, Edna said:

"Mass Propspam" in that regard can and does happen accidentally, if you spawn props quickly the staff can ban you for 1-3 MONTHS, that's too long for an accident. oftentimes it happens when a player is building so its never recorded.

That's why staff are supposed to teleport to the player suspected of mass propspamming.

[Edna :) 37]

1 minute ago, eXg-Buddha said:

That's why staff are supposed to teleport to the player suspected of mass propspamming.

Yeeeeeeeah that never happens.

That's why it should be judged off of the element of intention of crashing, that's the only part of spam which is deserving of a 1-3 month ban, an intention to lag or crash

[eXg-Buddha 729]

3 minutes ago, Edna said:

Yeeeeeeeah that never happens.

That's why it should be judged off of the element of intention of crashing, that's the only part of spam which is deserving of a 1-3 month ban, an intention to lag or crash

My guy... If you say it never happens and you witness it, why do I never see any reports from you?

[Ironfetus333 237]

17 hours ago, Edna said:

5-10+ people are banned per day

What?? People are rarely banned for mass prop spam. It is an uncommon occurrence. And stacker tool? People won't report for prop spam because of stacker tool because chances are they are using it in their own base. It just doesn't happen.

[Exotic 115]

18 hours ago, Edna said:

5-10+ people are banned per day for anywhere from 1-3 months for the concept of "mass propspam,"

Goto garnetgaming.net/darkrp/bans and then come back here and restate that.

[glibglibglib 7]

 

 

 

On 4/19/2019 at 1:19 PM, Edna :) said:

Yeeeeeeeah that never happens.

Do you have proof of this? I seriously doubt there is a single staff member who would just off hand ban someone for a full month without making absolutely sure that they should. if someone is reported for prop blocking then we go to the prop block, we don't just check logs and say, "oh look, he spawned a fence, Jailed", we go to the prop block and we look at screenshots if there are any. this is a very bold claim and I doubt you have any evidence. if you do, this is a serious problem, if you don't, then please don't make broad accusations like that.

[Jarold 234]

So one of Edna’s alts got banned for masspropspam and he’s upset about it?