Silo Cheating Ban Appeal

[Silo 807]

In-game name: 2GAR SSP Silo
SteamID (https://steamid.io/):STEAM_0:1:170227511
Staff members in-game name: Kendal
Staff members SteamID (/id (name):  N/A
Date & Time of incident: 6:30 MTN
Timezone:MTN
Ban Reason: Cheating/Exploiting
How long were you banned for?: Perma
Proof of Ban:

What happened? (include any proof): It all started when I was PVPing 1MD Kitty and some other Sgt, while fighting them one moved towards the right of the wall and I was shooting at him, I somehow hit the Army WO1 without even noticing and killed him, I soon died to a GYSGT explaining the instantly stopping of shooting after this kill
Why should your ban be removed?: First off I was completely oblivious to the kill, not even acknowledging the kill. I had also been accompanied by gamma the entire encounter with him being behind me with the 50.HMG. I personally think cheating is a scummy thing to do especially on a game as old as me, I wouldnt do it. I would also like to ask how accidently shooting a wall in PVP is an exploit, and how wallbanging is exploiting in general

 

 

 

 

Gammas post cause conway removed it

" can attest to this because as it shows in the video I was there. What happened was Silo was shooting kitty in a direction where if Silo missed his bullets would hit the side of the wall he wall banged. He got an arm shot and then a headshot. If he was cheating he should have gotten just the headshot. As well wouldn't he first lock on to the person closest to him AKA Kitty and then flick to this wallbang. It makes no sense for cheating. This is clearly a case of blind luck and witch hunting. Clearly not enough evidence due to this really being the only video I have seen of silo doing anything like this. We need to stick to the 2-3 cases of evidence instead of banning off of "One fishy clip" At first look yeah this looks like cheating but thinking about it and looking at the situation this is clearly a state of luck and the 1 in a million. +1 to this unban "
 

https://gyazo.com/f9c462a28a04cbf6c04221c895bf0f81

Edited January 10, 2020 by dude

[Kendal 450]

Alright Silo, I appreciate that you put the appeal in and that we could talk about things from your point of view in TS. And I'll say that you were pretty calm and respectable in your approach to talk to me.
 
So in that same regard, i'll explain to you why I banned you, and why I feel that this is sufficient evidence for the ban.
 
First of all i'll say that the other admins and I did extensive testing with this spot to try and figure out how any bullets can go through a wall being that thick. We found that there is a very specific spot on the wall that can be shot through ( so not the entire wall ). It's extremely far-fetched for the spraying to have gone directly through that specific spot in the wall, while also managing to kill the victim exactly where they were. That's where both exploiting and hacking come in.
 
Now as for our conversation in TS, you came into the channel and gave us two different stories. You saw the clip before-hand.
 
The first story was that you peeked the corner of the tunnel wall, and shot him right then and there and that's how you got the kill. The second story was that kitty was shooting you, you were spraying trying to kill kitty, and accidentally shot the victim through the wall.
 
And again, having accidentally hit the one and only spot on that wall that you can shoot through, managing to kill the person who was strafing back and forth, and not kill the person you were intentionally spraying doesn't make any sense to me. That is all from my point of view on this whole thing. I'd gathered the opinions of the other Admins to justify my ban as well, so it wasn't just me deciding "im gonna ban this guy."
 
 
 
This isn't a witch hunt. Im not out to get you. Im trying to uphold the rules of the server.

 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Milton

[Silo 807]

 

 

 

My Reply to Kendal

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So in that same regard, i'll explain to you why I banned you, and why I feel that this is sufficient evidence for the ban.

 

The evidence is very insufficient, the entire wall can be shot through, as aidan tested it. In no possible way would I intenioannly Go out of my way to shoot the guy behind the wall while im fighting 2 marines. Exploiting or Cheating there is no definite evidence that I went out of my way to shoot through the wall, there was only me killing a 14HP army support. 

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First of all i'll say that the other admins and I did extensive testing with this spot to try and figure out how any bullets can go through a wall being that thick. We found that there is a very specific spot on the wall that can be shot through ( so not the entire wall ). It's extremely far-fetched for the spraying to have gone directly through that specific spot in the wall, while also managing to kill the victim exactly where they were. That's where both exploiting and hacking come in.

 

The “Extensive testing” proved to be wrong apparently. As said before Aidan said that you can shoot through multiple angles of the wall. In the clip where I wallbanged the Army I was using a sterling, a SMG that can't wallbang most surfaces, If I were to wallbang him with intent I personally would have used the AEK or M60 as those are weapons you use to wallbang. I never knew the wall bang spot even existed as I am literally one of the least active “active players” on the server. I dont even like the map, why would I go out of my way to learn wallbang spots, the only thing I care about is how to get on mountains.

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Now as for our conversation in TS, you came into the channel and gave us two different stories. You saw the clip before-hand.

 The two stories were my fault, I had not taken that entire situation at the time as important and completely forgot what happened. I was so oblivious to the kill I had not even noticed it. Watching the video it was very low quality and I had thought I repeaked the angle to kill someone. Once I actually took a look at the video I had noticed what I said was completely wrong and semi-remembered the situation. The ban came as a surprise to me as I got off to clean my room, and didn't get back on because I was watching a youtube video when all of a sudden I got 4 steam messages saying I got banned for Cheating, I thought it was a joke because I did nothing crazy that war to my notice and ignored it for a little. Then finally got on to see what happened. I was talking to a few people in discord and they said the ban just went through.

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The first story was that you peeked around the corner of the tunnel wall, and shot him right then and there and that's how you got the kill. The second story was that kitty was shooting you, you were spraying trying to kill kitty, and accidentally shot the victim through the wall.And again, having accidentally hit the one and only spot on that wall that you can shoot through, managing to kill the person who was strafing back and forth, and not kill the person you were intentionally spraying doesn't make any sense to me. That is all from my point of view on this whole thing. I'd gathered the opinions of the other Admins to justify my ban as well, so it wasn't just me deciding "i'm gonna ban this guy."

 

 My stories were quite different, as the first I had not paid enough attention to the clip and barely remembered the situation. As I said I just got off to clean my room not even noticing the kill on the army. My kill on the army was clear luck, I didn't even know he was there nor did I know you could wallbang tuns. Conway tried to say that he knew RU that knew that wallbang, why would I learn such useless tactics even though I don't play the server everyday. 

The admins agreed the clip was fishy, before I could explain the situation. Once I said what happened and then Gamma verified people started rethinking the decision of banning me. When people gather lots of evidence to ban someone it's so there guilty beyond doubt, in my case you showed them a fishy clip and they agreed it was fishy, even though I don't do that shit everywhere, or do similar things all the time, you should have tried to get more evidence to ensure the thought of me abusing exploits or cheating but instead you banned me off of 1 clip. I know people don't ban because someone else says he's cheating. I understand, but you should of made sure you had no doubts that I was cheating

 

 

 

Reply of staff members
https://imgur.com/a/xDiJbBa

Bishops Message to aidan
https://gyazo.com/290286ad2f0100d93ce3152bf6ba769d

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by dude

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[KittyCat 0]

Now me and u were not fighting nor was i near u i was down in us area of tunnels shooting near the Tunnels to vil and got u
-1

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by KittyCat

[Silo 807]

28 minutes ago, KittyCat said:

Now me and u were not fighting nor was i near u i was down in us area of tunnels shooting near the Tunnels to vil and got u
-1

 

I was shooting someone else, and you were there. I died to a different GYSGT, I was also in the US area of tunnels semi basecamping. Also were you recording at the time?
 

Edited January 11, 2020 by dude

[Lex_ 506]

32 minutes ago, dude said:

I was shooting someone else, and you were there. I died to a different GYSGT, I was also in the US area of tunnels semi basecamping. Also were you recording at the time?
 

I'm not sure if my response will be considered unnecessary or not, but Kitty was the one to kill you. As well as I believe they are talking about the same location, considering that tunnel is the US side headed towards Village (as a whole) before it splits.

If we're going to take Gamma's word and "verification" that you are telling the truth, then why is Kitty's word any different? Now I'm not saying that that should determine whether or not you should stay banned, but the statement "were you recording at the time?" just feels like you're implying that what Kitty had said was either false or unworthy without video evidence to back it up.

I can see this being accepted for "lack of evidence" because we lack video evidence of what happened on the other side of that wall. But the fact remains that you did kill someone through it, accident or not. Without your side of the story, the clip is highly suspicious and in my opinion is a pretty strong piece of evidence (which is why I understand the staff involved deciding on banning you in the first place)

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For those confused, as well, staff had originally agreed that Silo should have been banned until he had shared his side of the story. The responses that Huskaii had collected reflect the opinions of the staff that were involved OR that were there when the conversation had taken place after the story was shared, which was after the ban was put in. Shit-talking the staff involved for "incompetency" is not helping the situation as I know that Kendal, Aidan, and Jim had spent hours yesterday both before and after the ban dissecting the situation and coming up to a conclusion; it wasn't a random decision that was left solely to Kendal.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Torch

[Kendal 450]

After a lot of speculation and debating, I had found in the original clip that as Redden is turning the corner and retreating to heal or whatever, Kitty (the person that kills Silo) is in frame for a second 

Seeing this made me speculate. With the fact that after Redden bounds the corner there is significant time where Kitty could have pushed to kill Silo, Silo ran towards the boxes to try and heal or recover for a moment. With the inconsistencies in the spots of the cave that can be shot through, it's easy to see that kitty must have been pushing towards silo against the wall (like I show in the video below) and with how she is positioned, Silo by complete mistake wallbangs that cave wall while trying to kill Kitty. This is exactly what I show happens in the video that I made to debunk the event.

 

Fier stands in the exact spot that Redden was standing when he died in the video made as proof for the ban. I show the exact event I had in mind. Kitty pushing towards silo against the wall, Silo shooting at Kitty and LITERALLY 1 in a fucking million chance kills redden. This proves in my opinion (as the banning staff) without a shadow of a fucking doubt, that Silo is innocent and the kill on Redden was a complete accident. With this in mind, Silo should be unbanned as this case is an entire lucky accident.

[AwesomeAidan0221 701]

Accepted

After a day and a half of testing, and the clip provided by Milton, the situation in question has been proven as unintentional. As a result, Silo will be unbanned. The clip clearly shows a marine in the corner(Assumed to be Kitty) who could have pushed up, and have engaged with Silo who then would shoot back and could have accidentally hit Redden through the wall. I can confidently say that the original clip has high doubt and is not sufficient enough to keep the ban.

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