Changes to 3rd Person

[Ozzy 2,003]

Description: Proposing 2 possible solutions to a heavily abused system.

1) A complete removal of the 3rd person addon.

2) The addon is disabled during wartime.

Reasoning: If you’re in the TeamSpeak during war, you are guaranteed to hear at least one complaint of someone head glitching or sitting behind a structure in 3rd person till they can peak for a shot without repercussion.

 

The 3rd person system is being used as the crutch of all crutches for players who somehow enjoy sitting behind a pillar/rock/around a corner/etc for the entire 30 minutes. When we made the move to 1st person combat, it was to add realism and counter play to a broken (but god do I miss 3rd person combat ) system. However, a chunk of 3rd person remained so people could see their models and what not. That chunk is being abused by a handful of players to the detriment of the server.

 

Basecamping was handled internally and you’ll see less and less people dying 10 steps from their front gate and make it maybe 40 steps. However the problem still exists of players sitting behind cover, completely safe, using 3rd person to spot targets, shoot, and then cower back into cover to start their campfire. 
 

Either solution eliminates 3rd person from war and that’s my priority. Those I’ve talked to have supported this idea as a way for us to further balance combat and push for better gun fights. The only opposition I’ve received is that 3rd person is a fun way to see your model during RP and for screenshots. That objection made sense to me so I contacted Garnet and he said disabling 3P during war is entirely possible.

 

Additional Information: TL : DR remove 3rd person in totality or disable it during war. The addon is used by most high skill players and abused by some. The idea behind all my combat suggestions is to level the playing field and have more intense fights than playing whack-a-mole with someone.

 

As always, if you disagree or have a different idea, I’d love to hear. So please feel free to comment.

[Lex_ 506]

+1. While I do use thirdperson for both viewing my model (habit?) and combat, it's clear that the community doesn't enjoy the effects of thirdperson on all ranges of combat.

 

I believe the best solution would be removing thirdperson as a whole from the server. It seems so impractical to only disable thirdperson during war, as well as if somebody knew what they were doing they could bypass that. It only stops people from using it during war and not events, tryouts, and the like, too.

[vilan 82]

+1 to option 2

3rd person would still be useful during peacetime

[Clarksp 23]

If option 2 is possible, that one should be chosen. +1

[Insekto 38]

+1

Either option 2 or make a complete re-work of the module.

[Tora1 889]

+1 to removal of third person during war 

will get rid of broken combat and most likely fix head glitching in most scenarios 

[Pencil 767]

+1 to a full removal. Third person has been heavily abused ever since it's been here and after it's been nerfed. Reason why I'm saying for full removal over just during war is due to people in RP scenario's that still occur during peacetime abusing it to basically just make themselves a periscope and identify a whole scenario without even being seen. i.e, third-personing over a base's wall to see a SOC group with a kidnapee and know where they are without a threat of being seen, thirdperson peaking over a roof to see when to throw a nade for a raid, etc.

Third person in general just really nullifies the role of recon since you can be a one man recon team from the inside of a base with really no downside.

[PraetorDon 485]

Can't think of a good reason why this shouldn't be removed. Also, it gives people one less thing to complain about during war.

 

+1 for full removal
 

[hysteria 564]

+1 

Even though I do like being able to use third person when clearing objectives(Example: Peaking a corner with third person) I do agree in that third person is really abused by a lot(A LOT) of people in head glitching and sniping. I wish it never came to the complete removal since I almost thought this was bringing back only third person but I think that it needs to be done.

[Foxxx 17]

+1 should be removed in war but still should be in peacetime

[Not Naitsir 79]

+1 Truly just breaks the game. It removes from a sense of immersion and is extremely broken. It makes it hard to run down long narrow hallways without the fear of not knowing if someone is gonna jump around the corner and spray you down. Also, for the more experienced players we know that when in third person when you look left or right you can "widen" your field of view and be able to see people outside of the normal render distance that you would see while in first person.  i.e. https://imgur.com/PeBOlcE https://imgur.com/DkT3KOI https://imgur.com/l8PQDuP 
In the second and third image you are able to see farther down the road compared to the first image making it extremely unfair for those outside the normal render distance and it makes for an unfair advantage. I personally think that third person has its uses outside of war but if a system that only removes third person during wartime can't be implemented then I would also be fine with the full removal.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Not Naitsir

[Lark 63]

+1 to 2nd option

[DiegoZavier 612]

To my knowledge, even if third person was removed/disabled there are still ways to force your game to go in third person (Its a very easy console bind). Because of this I don't think it should be disabled as enforcing this would be very hard/controversial. -1

[Ozzy 2,003]

17 minutes ago, DiegoZavier said:

To my knowledge, even if third person was removed/disabled there are still ways to force your game to go in third person (Its a very easy console bind). Because of this I don't think it should be disabled as enforcing this would be very hard/controversial. -1

If you can find or clip a video, please do. As a lot of things are possible to block. If someone is going to go to the extent of cheating to enable third person, they will repent.

[Clarksp 23]

I have never played MRP, but I would assume there are different jobs within each team. In IRL, there are under door cameras that are used to see under doors or around corners before actually peaking. If it is possible to code it so only certain classes can use third person, I think it would be cool if there was a certain job that specialized in that "camera" and was able to use third person to peak corners and give callouts to the rest of  their team.