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In-game name: General KnoxxSteamID (https://steamid.io/): STEAM_0:1:40997652Staff members in-game name: Papa krabbeStaff members SteamID (https://garnetgaming.net/darkrp/bans) (/id (name):STEAM_0:0:153848304Date & Time of incident:11/15/2020Timezone:ESTBan Reason: MRDMHow long were you banned for?: 2 weeksWhat happened? (include any proof): I killed NFA Phil and NFA Maple inside my base, My friend ACE was in the base also that I killed and only got reported twice. Ace's death wasn't RDM ace never made a report on me. Why should your ban be removed?: Because this is the first time I've been banned. This should of been a warn x2 and or warn / jail x2 instead it was a sit with NFA Phil ( no punishment was done) and then a second report with NFA Maple ( which I was got banned for 2 weeks) I have the screen shots of Ghost saying I didn't RDM <<<<< him. Side note( When in the first sit with Phil I was trying to explain to him, when him and Maple ran into my base that I was getting ready to set up printers) the sit with Phil ended and we went on with our nights.

He shouldnt even be banned im his friend and he didnt mean to kill me ok.. he was trying to get the people out of his base then he didnt mean to kill me ok un ban him this was prob a miss understanding

The topic, or reason for this has not changed or shifted what so ever. This are all things that need to be considered as this is one of the biggest punishments other then perma ban ( why would I have ace in my base for no reason, as I get upset with anyone bothering during my building and setting up my base, ace was in there for a reason just as he has stated, considering being in a party would totally get rid of 1 of the deaths that still leaves 2 deaths 1 of which as you stated there was no proof of, that being said it would of came down to 1 sit with maple and that would of been the decided factor. Just for maple however seeing as you can't report for other people ( Phil ) The subject has not changed because ace was in the base before Phil and Maple ran in meaning I would have ( if there was ) put him into my party this getting rid of the third death causing the so called "MRDM" down to the RDM on Maple ( again seeing as what you said there was no proof in the first sit, I understand what I said in the video however just because I'm upset with one of my friend ( as you can see I also killed empty furbar which is also my friend ) it wouldn't mean anything of the sort because there is no system in place for me to put my friend in a friendly fire mode. No party is going to end up with people getting frustrated while trying to get things done, however this all because there is no party system In place which is why this wouldn't of happend, there's nothing that happened in the first sit, which means it's null because of no proof as you said meaning that sit for RDM is null, ( also when we were in the first sit you explained to him that I can't NLR my self when I die from killing my self ) so then there leaves the sit with maple ( 1 rdm on him because I had no sign when he was a spartan and ran into my base ) a party system would negate the third and final kill as null which was by mistake on my friend ghost ( which I have proof of in screen shots of him saying he doesn't mind ) not knowing I was being recorded doesn't negate what I said in the sit and what happened in the situation of how this all occured which is why I think it's unfair because getting rid of the third mistaken kill on my friend ( who was in my base and supposed to printer farm along with me ) would of left 1 rdm on Maple

@PapaKrabbe

Okay I know I said that last post would be the last time I clarified, but I cannot allow for such a fundamental misunderstanding of this situation and falsifying of the information. There's evidence for all three kills in the first post I made, as well as an admittance that you rdmed all three of them for the same reason in that clip I provided, which I now believe you have not watched as you would know it's very clearly said. I also find it interesting how Ace went from a bother to you while you were building, to someone you were basing with, to a party member. Once again, the fact that ghost doesn't mind and screenshots of him saying so do not matter, as I've stated multiple times and has been stated in multiple appeals before, consensual RDM is still RDM. I find the fact that you say he was basing with you to be untrue according to how you acted about it during the sit, and I'm not sure how it would be a coincidence for you to say you "accidentally killed him" and also say at the same time you were "upset with him right now" and killed him for that reason (I can clip this if need be, But it seems rather irrelevant as it's RDM either way) The lack of a friendly fire system is not a shield to be hidden behind even if you were in his party, as the lack of this system does not give you the ability to say "Well I had to kill him because there is no friendly fire in the party system" since I do not believe his death was accidental based off of what you originally said (I'm sticking with your original story, which has changed and is evident by reading these posts) Maple was not reporting for someone else, there was already a report on you in which there was not enough evidence. When Maple reported you, there was evidence of both RDMs, and you would have been punished for both until you said that you killed Ace for the same reason (In the clip which is very audible, once again at 0:14,) I do not appreciate how your view keeps shifting rapidly, as at first you said this and now you're saying this This not only just looks like you trying to limit your punishment as much as possible, but is clear evidence of you, as I've said, changing your story. As I explained before, it would appear you have another misunderstanding of how reports work so once again let me clarify: If you are reported for RDM and no evidenc is found, and then you are reported for RDM and evidence is found of MassRDM, you will be banned. Just because Phil reported you for RDM and his sit was resolved does not make his RDM "null" because that is simply not how it works. To give an example, if you murder someone and are tried, and then are found innocent, you will be free. If you murder someone again, and there is evidence presented for both murders, you do not suddenly become a murderer (RDMer), you already were on when you killed the first person and shall be punished as such (Not exactly how courts work but the analogy clearly works). You were not found innocent when there was not enough evidence, you were simply found as not guilty within a reasonable doubt. When you were proven as such, you were banned accordingly. I am 100% certain that all the kills were RDM, the only question in my mind is whether this should be shortened to unintentional or not, but in no way do I support an unban. In essence what I'm saying is, just because you say these things does not make them true, the evidence is there and what you said originally differs from what you are now saying. Whatever staff resolves this appeal can contact me for the full video of both sits, I'll be happy to show you, but the evidence I've supplied is more than enough to justify the ban, as the only counter-evidence is hearsay.

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I was just wondering since some staff have the same KOS sign for their bases is this allowed? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2288875686 To me based on the rule stated below this shouldn't be allowed because it blends in as just the IP's for the other servers(Like the one in spawn) please help me out with this. Obscure KOS or Building signs are prohibited. Signs that blend in with building or materials are prohibited; Furthermore, KOS or Building text screens must be a minimum size of 40.

there was a new party system added and I guess it doesnt let you turn off team kill.

This the last time I'm going to re-clarify what happened. Knoxx was reported for RDM by both Maple and Phil. Phil's proof was not enough, as a screenshot of a base with no sign minutes after a death is not proof of an RDM. This is because the sign could have been accidentally deleted, taken by a minge, and so on. the screenshot and picture of the time however matches up with the deaths. The story has changed multiple times in this thread and from the sit, where it was originally said (In video) that Knoxx killed all three of them because they were interfering for his building (Not a valid reason to kill without a KOS sign) "that's why I killed all three of you" as he said in the video I provided. It seems there's a bit of a misunderstanding on how a Mass RDM ban works, so I'll explain a bit: There does not need to be three reports on you for you to be banned for mass, nor do you need to have the intent to mass. This would make no sense, as a player could MRDM and then if only one player reported them, they would get off with a single RDM punishment. I do not take kindly to the suddenly new information that Knoxx was basing with Ace, as this directly contradicts what was said in the clip I provided where, once again, he said he killed Ace for interfering with his building and not by accident, and whether Ace minded or not, players and staff both have been banned for consensual RDM, and it should be no different here. The issue of the party system is very true, as this could cause plenty of accidental RDMs (which should be dismissed) but I simply cannot believe with the evidence from my post and what I heard in the sit that Ace's death was accidental. To add to this point, if his death was accidental, I as the staff member made the decision to consider the RDM as RDM since I had no knowledge of the nature of the death. Accidental RDM, however unfair some may consider it, is still considered RDM, and with the two others the best I could see here is a reduced ban to 1 week, although an accidental kill seems like a convenient new story. This is as clear as I can make this topic, and anything else I say will just be my opinion and therefore irrelevant. This is the evidence I have gathered, and this

While MRDM is actually the act of killing 3 people or one person twice and another once, etc. , if Ace's death was unintentional (Which was not at all said in during the sit or in the clip I provided by the way) then the ban should be lowered to a 1 week for unintentional MRDM. I'd like to clarify again though, this was never said to ke during the sit and Knoxx said he was "Upset with" Ace multiple times, causing me to assume his death was intentional, and since it was stated in this clip all the players killed were killed for the same reason.

What if the person who owns the base is level 10 but they are basing with level 10+. how would you be able to know? it seems like an impossible rule to add. There are too many what if’s

This guide is for people with basic knowledge regarding base building to learn about the tools at their disposal, and kill box types. I will also be expanding this guide in the future. Rule 1, press SHIFT + E when holding a prop, that is your bread and butter. How to build? Utilizing the correct props will allow you to build a base just as cool as the no life with 10k hours and $300mil. Plastic props are good for walls, the shopfront prop is good for kill boxes, and the fence props are good for fading doors. Learning the correct props is essential to building a sleek base. Don't take this as me bashing experimental bases, make that shit look crazy! Tools of the Trade https://imgur.com/a/Y1Adn2W The Stacker tool is necessary for a sleek base. Given its ability to duplicate props, and it's great amount of sliders that allow for any adjustment desired. 1. The stack direction box allows you to choose which direction you want to stack your prop. You can adjust how far it is stacked in that direction using 2 a, b, and c. 2. (a) allows you to adjust the back and forth distance the stacked prop will be from the original prop. (b) is left and right, and (c) is down and up respectively. 3. (a) allows you to adjust the pitch, (b) adjusts the yaw, and (c) adjusts the roll respectively. The Precision Tool tool is probably the most vital tool, it's the extreme precision this tool grants you that allows for the most op bases. You will be using this tool very often when you build. Kill Box Types https://imgur.com/a/Vl00IY2 The Dissapearing Wall kill box is identified by it's very large kill box, usually consisting of the entire wall. Pros: If you have a shotgun, you can almost certainly eliminate the raider in one shot. You are close to the target, so accuracy is never really a deciding factor. Cons: They are very close to you, allowing them to attack you easier. Your model will be almost fully exposed to the raider. The Death Crack kill box is identified by it's very thin line between (usually) shopfront props. Pros: You are heavily concealed from enemy gunfire, giving you increased cover and combat capability. Given it is on both sides like the image, you have the element of surprise from both sides. Cons: If you are being raided by the typical d-lore aimbotter, you will be killed instantly due to standing very close to the box when firing. The effective cone of fire is reduced significantly the farther you back away from the crack, reducing combat effectiveness for shotguns and automatic rifles. The Fortress is iconic for it's castle-like look. The fading doors are parallel from a raised shooting platform placed some distance further into the base to increase concealment. Pros: Given you have an accurate weapon, this base allows you to snipe enemies from across your base. The distance from the main doorway grants protection from nerve gas, grenades, and even rockets. Cons: Usually consists of an entire wall opening up near the fading door, allowing raiders to pinpoint your location. Multiple raiders will be able to pin you down while you are being cracked. The Knoxx Certified base is instantly recognizable by it's hallway that limits your movement to strictly one axis, the chambers are only 35 units across, and the kill box itself is two nanometers across. Pros: 100% unraidable, especially when paired with a snipers nest. Cons: Standing close to the door and acting cocky can result in being nerve gassed or RPG'd. The Unfair Advantage base is the one you walk into and instantly turn back around. The base owner usually has an angle on you that is not very beneficial to you. Pros: Angle, angle, angle. This base can have an angle above, below, on top, or wherever that isn't directly eye level with the raider. The more unusual the better. Grants an intimidation depuff to the raider, usually resulting in them running away and never looking back. Cons: Again, RPGs and nerve gas are the most annoying things in the game, they will kill you in even the most unraidable bases. The Windmill base is instantly recognized by it's revolving door-esque fading door system. This base consists of fading doors that open around each other. Pros: Allows the base owner to maintain a smaller combat area by reducing the length of the fading door system. Cuts the fading door system length basically in half by placing the doors 2x2 instead of 1x4.

Because of the condition of my back and ~2 months of mapping strenuously taking a toll, I really slowed down progress on the development of our new urban map, like to be titled "Omega", but nonetheless still wanted to share where the map is for all members who are confused/unaware of the progress because they're not in close communication with me. I will be entirely honest and say that the map's beta release is VERY close, and will surely be here before Christmas, however, the final version which is better revised is still MONTHS away from release, and I will likely have to re-do more than 80% of the map, including US base, buildings, and the general layout of the map. Overall progress is at ~75/100% Town - Embassy - Construction To do: Eliminate some dead space, populate with props and smooth out terrain ^ CENTER OBJECTIVE - INDUSTRY ^ RU base is non-existent, but here's US base:

Yeah I was killed and when I asked the staff on they said that its allowed and they use the same thing for their bases

I was watching that base earlier and he was exclusively using it to kill people when they would walk in and then get blown away as they never saw the KOS sign, I think this is pretty clearly either a case of failbase or a FRP warn.

Yeah that’s definitely not clear KOS sign at all. It took me few times to understand what it said.

With the video: I have watched and understand what I said when I was explaining it to to maple I was trying to remember what happened because ghost was in my base from the start, " that's why I killed all 3 of you " when I'm running around my base and trying to get rid of 2 people that are not supposed to be in my base misfire can happen. Just because I didn't state it by voice I " however I killed ghost by mistake " was not being brought up into the conversation or thought because ghost is my friend " that's the reason I killed all 3 of you from running in my base " when frustrated over something and not knowing about being recorded and also knowning that me killing my friend by mistake I'm not going to bring up that I killed my friend by mistake ( when maple typed in chat " so 3 people?" ) The first thing in my mind was not going to be " oh but I wanted to let you know ghost is my friend". I have let ghost base with me for over 4 days now ( including at my spawn base ) he's going from some random, do my base mate, to my friend, etc I'm clear with what I'm saying that I have had him on steam and allow him to base and farm his printers with me whenever. Party: This is not a shield, this is not a " what if" this is a literal thing that would change the whole course of this situation, this is not something I'm just throwing up in the air. It's the reason for this exact sit and outcome with 3 deaths for MRDM, because this can happen again ( 2 randoms 1 friend) with the random reporting there is nothing protecting that third kill my friend from being killed by mistake. It wouldn't make any sense why it wouldn't come into play. For the reports: as I've seen and been in multipul reports with people breaking mass nlr and rdming me I've never seen a case where someone that reports someone for someone's else's death ( reagurdless of the timer for both deaths ) gets punished for it just like no witnesses you can't report on someone else's behalf and they were not in a party so it wouldn't of have been together, these are 2 separate people making 2 separate reports. As the first sit ended with a turn from rdm to breaking my own NLR. Then another sit for RDM in which I killed maple just because I stated that I killed all 3 during the time that it happened ( 1 being my friend and my base mate but how can you tell with no friendly fire system ) how would make it seem my intention was to mass rdm all 3 people none the less when the times I killed all 3 ghosts was last I didn't realize I did at first when in the video was way after the fact of when it all happened which is why I was trying to remember " when did I killed you oh ..oh ..yeah that's right " it was almost a full minute after the second death. When trying to get someone out of your base ( because there's no party there's. I way to tell ) you shoot first ask question later. Trying to "set " my punishment: No, I am someone who doesn't break rules, I sit and my base for hours and hours not doing nothing but my own thing I don't bother anyone and report an extreme amount of mass NlRing people, mass prop blockers, etc I don't have a warn to my account to date and have been fasly banned twice. I'm not someone who goes around and is well known for breaking the rules, each sit I've seen most reports that it has been all about the staffs opinion on the situation and the person them self, as I stated before this is a very big punishment for something that happened very quickly with me at the end saying " do what you have to do " that having in mind waiting for my warns / jails . Seeing as there was no third sit I wasn't in the mind set of " I'm about to get banned" this is right under perma ban and doesn't make sense seeing a as how I'm not a new person, known person with a record, of staff member with a record. I'm a player who for 1 or 3k hours ( forgot how many I have ) has never been warned stacked, jailed only 3 times in the history of being here, and has fasely been banned twice. I don't do anything other then help keep the server clean and support it the best way I can. If my intent was to break rules all the time or coming back from a history of nasty crap that I've done then I would agree with you're punishment 100% and there would not be 2 pages to this post. However a semi max ban is something I think is unfair with everything that has happened and also the big block of how there is no system for my to ( claim ) which friend of mine is in my base, my friend in general, someone who's with me in my base without having to advert it, clearly state it, or in this case worry about being recorded and not thinking that killing my friend would be the reason for me being banned ( take the third death away and what do you have ) and with the party system that is in place now it still wouldn't have mattered because there is no friendly fire system that flaw caused me to be banned ( and anyone else that has the same situational sit as I had in the same position ) that is the only reason I am bringing the party up. What I said: yes I know I have brought up ghost multipul of times, the reaaon I have explained him in different scenarios and ways is because of his comment ( I'm his friend and didn't care about the kill ) that along shows enough that he has been with me, has been my friend and has based with me more then once, and knows he's welcome to run into my base and come join me / ask me to come into my base. Which at first when he was on the server he did he's been in there and is the reason why he got killed by mistake again I have seen the video and seen the screen shots with the times attached in the logs, if ghost was a random person then I would have understood all of this however ghost has been my friend for some days now and was the reason why he was in my base in the first place. I'm trying to make it clear and so was he in his comments, his person his account his death is the MRDM requirement for a 2 week ban you get rid of his death then thats rdm x2 ( if the first sit had a warn and or jail as the punishment ) and again comes down to the staff making the report, thoughts about the person being reported, and what the staff wants to do in that sit. If the party was actively working then by all means ghost would have been fine. However the thrid person that got killed has stated he was in the knowning ( how can consensual rdm count if there's no party system to outcast that ) and didn't mind it which is why a third report ( most reason for why the MRDM ban goes through not just a 1st .sit with not enough proof to a second sit that has enough proof for 2 week ban ) that is how I've seen reports done and have witnessed reports being done Side note: I will be going to bed soon so I will reply in the morning

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Yeah, this party system doesn't have that... it would be really helpful if you could though!

Not going to answer for him but I believe it was designed to be compact as hell offering mostly cqc but being able to reach out further at places like construction. Or at least thats what I gathered from the streams and ts etc.

If all that had to be done was take screen shots of my base and make a choice then papa could have done so the first time when I was reported, all the rest is in logs. MRDM is intent to kill 3 people the 2 that were in my base when I was trying to get my base going, were the ones I was trying to get out after telling then multipul of times to leave. Which is what I explained to papa and Phil during the first sit

-1 As a whole, I like this idea. However, there are many flaws with implementing this in the first place. As Noxii states, you can just look at the tab to see their level. While this is true, many people (Including myself) would raid without checking, and realize the player was level 10, which will cause punishments to be handed out. Also as Minxx has stated before, that player could be basing with a higher level.

I have made it clear about my sign because I was working on the base for about 20-40minutes in which as I stated was getting ready to printer farm, if ghost had made a report then I would understand for this punishment, it wouldn't make sense seeing as how ghost is my friend. Why didn't I get warned and or jailed for the first sit, ghost knew I killed him by mistake just because 2 other people ( not ment to be in my base ) aside from ghost who was supposed to be in my base can make the report and get me banned? Espically when in the first sit no punishment had happened. The reason I was upset with ghost is because I killed him by mistake trying to get 2 people out of my base while setting it up. There is no more friendly fire so I don't see how this works. If it was the case of MRDM it would of been brought up during the first sit as you saw Phil and I left on a good note when the sit left until mintues later someone else ( who wasn't supposed to be in my base ) made a report and was insteantly accepted as a 2 week ban. This is the same as if a party setting of friend fire was off and you shot your teamate by mistake. It would come down to the opinion of the staff doing the sit, situation that brought the sit there in the first place, and the intent to mass rdm in general ( as I don't remeber even having a warn on currently ) This was all done inside my base, with no punishment other then a 2 week ban as the goto thing.

consensual RDM is still RDM. This is not a valid reason for an unban.

@Noxii Did you also ban sofa?

damn bro first beef and now piss

Doesn’t this already exist tho

-1 Your paragraph is too short, make sure its at least two paragraphs ( try to strive for more) also fix your grammar mistakes. Additionally try to specify how much time you can approximately contribute, your answer is too vague.

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