The Negligence of a Tier 1 - [Delta Force]

[Soappppp 220]

Disclaimer : This was suggested by a few members of the community to be put in the mrp suggestions sub-forum. However, I think it'd make more sense in general discussions, as this is generally just a discussion in order to form some sort of change. Also, you will see me reference "T1" multiple times in this post, for any non-MRP players, a T1 is the best faction on either side.

 

[Introduction]

Negligence is defined as failure to use proper care in doing something. The action of neglect can be evenly spread through a group. In this discussion i'd like to talk about and bring attention to the self-destructive tendencies of DF ( Delta Force ). For any non-MRP players, Delta Force is supposed to be the best faction on the US side. Best in player combat, best in roleplay, etc. They're supposed to set an example for the rest of US SOC, as well as the base faction. While they still manage to be great at combat, they fail to actually play enough for anyone to notice. As goes with the roleplay, however I can't state on if their RP is adequate, but that's besides the point. I'm not here to bash on their skill in Delta Force. I just want to point out that they have been majorly inactive for the last 1-2 month(s). This has ultimately led to a dead faction and the absence of a major key on US. 

 

[Topic/Point I. : Uninterested]

Delta Force has generally made it aware that they are uninterested in playing the server or interacting with any members of US. Without naming names, players in DF have claimed themselves that they just lack the essential interest that's required to play a T1. Even if you discredit my claim, albeit, with no pictures given, if you play the server enough you'd be able to tell they aren't interested. They don't play, they don't interact, they essentially do the absolute bare minimum, IF that. There normally isn't an issue with being uninterested, you either move on to a different faction, or resign and move on. The issue with being uninterested in this case, or a lack of interest if you will. Is the fact that they all hold relatively limited spots in a T1. You can't sit in a faction for 2 months getting on for 15 minutes a day and claim you're having fun. If you aren't having fun, aren't interested, or don't want to play, then give someone else the opportunity to do something with that position. This point in itself can be backed up by US leaders and officers alike. 

 

[Topic/Point 2 : Unbalanced Playtime]

Yes, I know this is essentially just being inactive, and that's the whole point of the post, however, I would like to discuss when they ARE on. First and foremost, being a T1 normally means you play on your respected faction. Of course, since the majority of the players are staff, they will swap over to help RU in an attempt to balance wars. Followed by an immediate AFK/logging out to play other games. When they swap over, just to log off right after, they have effectively logged in no playtime to their respective faction. I'm not saying DON'T help RU in wars, but immediately logging off after a war you played on the opposite side, does NOTHING for your main faction. The balance of their playtime is the main issue. Point being, they log on for a single war, then AFK/logout. Zero interaction with anyone, which leads everyone to believe Delta Force doesn't play. 

 

[Topic/Point 3 : Empty Promises]

The leader of Delta Force has allegedly talked to his members ( from a trusted source ) about their activity recently. Little is to be done about it. No improvements, no communication to US Leaders, nothing. Empty. Promises. When you join a T1 you're essentially agreeing to play the most respected faction on your respective side. Which means you promise to play it when you can, be active in it, and interact with others while in it. The current Delta Force roster has failed to hit any of those marks within the last 2 months. This claim isn't just my own, it's most of the US SOC, if not all. Excluding Delta Force of course. 

 

[Topic/Point 4 : Lack of Actual Presence]

Every Friday meetings between USSOCOM are held to discuss any issues on US, or any improvements being made. Within the last 2 months, only one notable Delta Force member has made an effort to show up and talk. Now, this isn't really make-or-break in regards to showing up to a meeting. However, it's worth noting simply because they don't attempt to do anything else within any other US SOC. No communication, no activity, no presence. Here are some screenshots ( ones I have gotten recently while in the process of typing ) where players don't know either what DF is, or who is in it. 

Screenshot One: https://gyazo.com/ed53d6a4cf6dc8162ccec28deecd9078

A drill instructor, a SFC, doesn't have any clue what DF or Delta Force is. Goes to show their presence is slim, this same player knows who Rangers and GB are tho. 

Screenshot Two: https://gyazo.com/8a17051ee6ca261802c3999d9315b96a

A 2LT in the army is well aware of the issue with Delta Force. 

[Both screenshots are from the main MRP discord]

With the couple screenshots shown, it's not too far off to assume Delta Force doesn't have the respective presence that a T1 deserves to have.

 

[Topic/Point 5: Friend Group Factions]

The idea of a friend group isn’t necessarily bad. It’s when the friend group ignores their own issues in their respective factions. They seemingly are all pretty self-aware they don’t play, but being self aware as a group, and everyone understanding the issue but doing nothing about it is the issue. I’m only bringing up this point to show the clear bias in the regard to no one attempting to fix the issue. Simply because they are all friends. Again, nothing wrong with being friends with everyone in your faction, but ignoring issues because of it is the problem. Not acting on things because of it, is the problem. 

I was going to make a 6th point titled, “Untouchable Faction”, but I think a post like this kind of negates that point in the event something happens ( which is the hope ).  Anyways, had this post not been made, no notable progress would probably happen. This isn’t to say or disrespect the current SuperAdmin. But from what I have been told, a few players went to said SA and explained the issue, which all of US SOC are aware of. Some sort of “talk” happened, and from what we’ve been told, nothing seems to be happening. The claim “change doesn’t happen overnight” is pointless here. This has been an issue for 2 months, it shouldn’t have been one for longer then 1. 

 

[Topic/Point 6: No Current Benefit]

A T1, whether they benefit by carrying war, adding to a ton RP, or literally adding anything of substance, is expected. The current Delta Force roster adds nothing as of recently. Again, as I said earlier I'm not trying to say they’re bad at combat, but they simply don’t play enough to have any effect on war. They’re out of touch with the players that are on their team, they serve no use. They don’t attempt to bring up USSOCOM members by training them into Delta Force. They do nothing at all. Instead, some members, without names, hop on the opposite side ( RU ) and interact with them. If helping RU is their top priority then they should leave the T1 and focus their efforts there. Point being, they provide nothing of substance to the server ( US Wise, which is their responsibility ). 

 

[Topic/Point 7: Staff Connections]

Not calling anyone corrupt by ANY means in this point, I just want to point out a connection. The leader, being the current MRP Manager, is also self aware his faction does nothing within regards to the server. I would like to believe that had any other faction had a massive inactivity issue, they'd be talked to and expected to improve. One of which has been spoken to, and has made improvements since. This just seems like a major issue that's being slept on for no reason other than the fact, that its being avoided. This being the majority opinion in USSOCOM, it only makes sense to go bring this up publicly to be discussed so the issue is properly addressed, instead of avoided. 

 

[Conclusion]

To wrap this post up, I spoke with a bunch of people about this post, whether it made sense to post. Everyone agreed that posting this thread makes the most sense, it's been a prolonged issue that has had little to no resolve. I wanna make it VERY clear, this isn't a direct attack on the players in Delta Force as PEOPLE. It's a discussion on the WHOLE faction, not the individuals. Although a few individuals may be addressed, they're attached to valid points. And please keep in mind, this is a discussion centered around this specific issue as a FACTION. NOT, individually.

 

[Theos 423]

and this helps how?

Any issues with a MilitaryRP faction get noticed by Executives, this forum post for you to go 'DF bad' isn't gonna change anything

[Jackal 709]

1 hour ago, Soappppp said:

Disclaimer : This was suggested by a few members of the community to be put in the mrp suggestions sub-forum. However, I think it'd make more sense in general discussions, as this is generally just a discussion in order to form some sort of change. Also, you will see me reference "T1" multiple times in this post, for any non-MRP players, a T1 is the best faction on either side.

 

[Introduction]

Negligence is defined as failure to use proper care in doing something. The action of neglect can be evenly spread through a group. In this discussion i'd like to talk about and bring attention to the self-destructive tendencies of DF ( Delta Force ). For any non-MRP players, Delta Force is supposed to be the best faction on the US side. Best in player combat, best in roleplay, etc. They're supposed to set an example for the rest of US SOC, as well as the base faction. While they still manage to be great at combat, they fail to actually play enough for anyone to notice. As goes with the roleplay, however I can't state on if their RP is adequate, but that's besides the point. I'm not here to bash on their skill in Delta Force. I just want to point out that they have been majorly inactive for the last 1-2 month(s). This has ultimately led to a dead faction and the absence of a major key on US. 

 

[Topic/Point I. : Uninterested]

Delta Force has generally made it aware that they are uninterested in playing the server or interacting with any members of US. Without naming names, players in DF have claimed themselves that they just lack the essential interest that's required to play a T1. Even if you discredit my claim, albeit, with no pictures given, if you play the server enough you'd be able to tell they aren't interested. They don't play, they don't interact, they essentially do the absolute bare minimum, IF that. There normally isn't an issue with being uninterested, you either move on to a different faction, or resign and move on. The issue with being uninterested in this case, or a lack of interest if you will. Is the fact that they all hold relatively limited spots in a T1. You can't sit in a faction for 2 months getting on for 15 minutes a day and claim you're having fun. If you aren't having fun, aren't interested, or don't want to play, then give someone else the opportunity to do something with that position. This point in itself can be backed up by US leaders and officers alike. 

 

[Topic/Point 2 : Unbalanced Playtime]

Yes, I know this is essentially just being inactive, and that's the whole point of the post, however, I would like to discuss when they ARE on. First and foremost, being a T1 normally means you play on your respected faction. Of course, since the majority of the players are staff, they will swap over to help RU in an attempt to balance wars. Followed by an immediate AFK/logging out to play other games. When they swap over, just to log off right after, they have effectively logged in no playtime to their respective faction. I'm not saying DON'T help RU in wars, but immediately logging off after a war you played on the opposite side, does NOTHING for your main faction. The balance of their playtime is the main issue. Point being, they log on for a single war, then AFK/logout. Zero interaction with anyone, which leads everyone to believe Delta Force doesn't play. 

 

[Topic/Point 3 : Empty Promises]

The leader of Delta Force has allegedly talked to his members ( from a trusted source ) about their activity recently. Little is to be done about it. No improvements, no communication to US Leaders, nothing. Empty. Promises. When you join a T1 you're essentially agreeing to play the most respected faction on your respective side. Which means you promise to play it when you can, be active in it, and interact with others while in it. The current Delta Force roster has failed to hit any of those marks within the last 2 months. This claim isn't just my own, it's most of the US SOC, if not all. Excluding Delta Force of course. 

 

[Topic/Point 4 : Lack of Actual Presence]

Every Friday meetings between USSOCOM are held to discuss any issues on US, or any improvements being made. Within the last 2 months, only one notable Delta Force member has made an effort to show up and talk. Now, this isn't really make-or-break in regards to showing up to a meeting. However, it's worth noting simply because they don't attempt to do anything else within any other US SOC. No communication, no activity, no presence. Here are some screenshots ( ones I have gotten recently while in the process of typing ) where players don't know either what DF is, or who is in it. 

Screenshot One: https://gyazo.com/ed53d6a4cf6dc8162ccec28deecd9078

A drill instructor, a SFC, doesn't have any clue what DF or Delta Force is. Goes to show their presence is slim, this same player knows who Rangers and GB are tho. 

Screenshot Two: https://gyazo.com/8a17051ee6ca261802c3999d9315b96a

A 2LT in the army is well aware of the issue with Delta Force. 

[Both screenshots are from the main MRP discord]

With the couple screenshots shown, it's not too far off to assume Delta Force doesn't have the respective presence that a T1 deserves to have.

 

[Topic/Point 5: Friend Group Factions]

The idea of a friend group isn’t necessarily bad. It’s when the friend group ignores their own issues in their respective factions. They seemingly are all pretty self-aware they don’t play, but being self aware as a group, and everyone understanding the issue but doing nothing about it is the issue. I’m only bringing up this point to show the clear bias in the regard to no one attempting to fix the issue. Simply because they are all friends. Again, nothing wrong with being friends with everyone in your faction, but ignoring issues because of it is the problem. Not acting on things because of it, is the problem. 

I was going to make a 6th point titled, “Untouchable Faction”, but I think a post like this kind of negates that point in the event something happens ( which is the hope ).  Anyways, had this post not been made, no notable progress would probably happen. This isn’t to say or disrespect the current SuperAdmin. But from what I have been told, a few players went to said SA and explained the issue, which all of US SOC are aware of. Some sort of “talk” happened, and from what we’ve been told, nothing seems to be happening. The claim “change doesn’t happen overnight” is pointless here. This has been an issue for 2 months, it shouldn’t have been one for longer then 1. 

 

[Topic/Point 6: No Current Benefit]

A T1, whether they benefit by carrying war, adding to a ton RP, or literally adding anything of substance, is expected. The current Delta Force roster adds nothing as of recently. Again, as I said earlier I'm not trying to say they’re bad at combat, but they simply don’t play enough to have any effect on war. They’re out of touch with the players that are on their team, they serve no use. They don’t attempt to bring up USSOCOM members by training them into Delta Force. They do nothing at all. Instead, some members, without names, hop on the opposite side ( RU ) and interact with them. If helping RU is their top priority then they should leave the T1 and focus their efforts there. Point being, they provide nothing of substance to the server ( US Wise, which is their responsibility ). 

 

[Topic/Point 7: Staff Connections]

Not calling anyone corrupt by ANY means in this point, I just want to point out a connection. The leader, being the current MRP Manager, is also self aware his faction does nothing within regards to the server. I would like to believe that had any other faction had a massive inactivity issue, they'd be talked to and expected to improve. One of which has been spoken to, and has made improvements since. This just seems like a major issue that's being slept on for no reason other than the fact, that its being avoided. This being the majority opinion in USSOCOM, it only makes sense to go bring this up publicly to be discussed so the issue is properly addressed, instead of avoided. 

 

[Conclusion]

To wrap this post up, I spoke with a bunch of people about this post, whether it made sense to post. Everyone agreed that posting this thread makes the most sense, it's been a prolonged issue that has had little to no resolve. I wanna make it VERY clear, this isn't a direct attack on the players in Delta Force as PEOPLE. It's a discussion on the WHOLE faction, not the individuals. Although a few individuals may be addressed, they're attached to valid points. And please keep in mind, this is a discussion centered around this specific issue as a FACTION. NOT, individually.

 

This is like the 3rd or 4th time this has happened. It'll probably happen another two or three times. A quick fix for the swapping sides stuff is just go back to the old "don't balance/we don't care if you do or don't as staff." Chances are though either people will complain or one side can't handle not having the help.

11 minutes ago, Theos said:

and this helps how?

Brings attention to the problem if there wasn't any attention on it already. Pretty straight forward. Also, it even has the possibility of outlining issues that the faction had/have that the leader doesn't already see or notice. Essentially giving them a chance to fix a mistake formerly not known.

11 minutes ago, Theos said:

Any issues with a MilitaryRP faction get noticed by Executives

I mean typically if it comes to a forum post that probably means that either it hasn't been noticed or the Executive(s) aren't taking initiative to fix the problem. However, this could be because the problem isn't exactly "fixable" or that they might not believe there is a problem to begin with. So that also gives an opportunity for them to vocalize their stance on the matter and at times maybe even set a precedent for faction situations like this.

11 minutes ago, Theos said:

this forum post for you to go 'DF bad' isn't gonna change anything

It very easily can just gotta think longer and harder about it. This isn't the first time where "public" focus was brought onto one faction or another and sometimes that attention, negative or positive, can lead to improvements. Even something as small as them being more active than normal and having a presence goes a long way for new players and can reestablish trust/communication with current leaders. Sure you are right in that the post itself doesn't change anything but an effect or biproduct that this post CAN have is what I already explained.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Jackal

[Dillan 750]

I tend to think they have a schedule similar to mine. Life over games typically. I would like to say I typically see atleast 1-3 at a given time. That's with my once a week typically. Self experience doesn't reflect the time playing with them. Adults have the benfits of typically being more mature, but play less, vs a teen or child playing more, but less mature. That's just the typical dichotomy.

[Theos 423]

42 minutes ago, Jackal said:

Brings attention to the problem if there wasn't any attention on it already.

Was already attention on it, the issue has been recognised already

42 minutes ago, Jackal said:

either it hasn't been noticed or the Executive(s) aren't taking initiative to fix the problem.

Has been noticed, but it's not as simple as 'wipe DF' or any other dumb quick 'fix'

42 minutes ago, Jackal said:

It very easily can just gotta think longer and harder about it.

Jake, as the SA, has already heard the same whining this post contains, so this post will just be disregarded or seen as an irritation, nothing more

 

Also it's worth noting that the wider community isn't going to be given a detailed plan of exactly what staff is planning all the time regarding any faction. If you expect one, then you really don't know how anything is run

Edited June 22, 2021 by Theos

[Soappppp 220]

59 minutes ago, Theos said:

and this helps how?

Essentially bringing an issue everyone's aware of into an actual discussion to push some sort of change in either DF's performance, or whatever management deems necessary. Obviously I never suggested a change in the post, I just wanted to criticize the FACTION and how they're affecting US as a whole. 

1 hour ago, Theos said:

Any issues with a MilitaryRP faction get noticed by Executives

Yes and i'm aware, i've spoke to Jake, asked him questions, and attempted to learn more about what was happening, "behind the scenes". After learning and getting informed from Jake, I felt like the issue still wasn't addressed properly so I made a post after consulting people.

1 hour ago, Theos said:

this forum post for you to go 'DF bad'

I never said "DF Bad!". I literally gave points that address any issue I have thought of myself, or been told by other server players. I went into detail on what each one meant and wanted to provide an outlook on how we see the faction. 

1 hour ago, Theos said:

isn't gonna change anything

This is a fair point, which is why I didn't suggest a specific change, more or less just wanted people talking about it. In hopes the friend group sees this post, realizes the points are valid, and improve themselves. Hell maybe even talk to me one-on-one and try to find some middle ground. 

23 minutes ago, Theos said:

so this post will just be disregarded or seen as an irritation, nothing more

I sure hope this isn't the case lol. I think all these points are fair and valid. Telling me its an annoyance and suggesting it'll ultimately pushed aside seems to line up with what I was getting at. We've been told for weeks that something's happening and we've noticed literally no change. 

33 minutes ago, Dillan said:

I tend to think they have a schedule similar to mine. Life over games typically. I would like to say I typically see atleast 1-3 at a given time. That's with my once a week typically. Self experience doesn't reflect the time playing with them. Adults have the benfits of typically being more mature, but play less, vs a teen or child playing more, but less mature. That's just the typical dichotomy.

I agree a ton with what you're saying. I myself work a full time job and have other IRL responsibilities to handle. It's not the fact they're doing IRL things, it's the fact they're playing other games, or when they do get on, don't do anything. I do understand what you're getting at though. Thanks!

[Fonza 249]

2 minutes ago, Soappppp said:

it's the fact they're playing other games

So they can't play other games?

[Soappppp 220]

15 minutes ago, Fonza said:

So they can't play other games?

No of course they can lol. That was poorly worded, its playing games for weeks more-so then the one you have some sort of responsibly in. 

[Theos 423]

What I'm saying is that the issue has been noticed, steps are being taken, there are multiple options Jake could take and he will take necessary ones.

I tried to explain some of your issues yesterday in Teamspeak, and you effectively just told me to shut up.

In regards to Jake, he won't tell you every option he's considering, and he may want to give the current crop of DF a chance first, so of course you're not going to be satisfied with his response, but that doesn't mean Jake's ignoring the issue.

[PrisonNightmare 741]

13 minutes ago, Theos said:

What I'm saying is that the issue has been noticed, steps are being taken, there are multiple options Jake could take and he will take necessary ones.

I tried to explain some of your issues yesterday in Teamspeak, and you effectively just told me to shut up.

In regards to Jake, he won't tell you every option he's considering, and he may want to give the current crop of DF a chance first, so of course you're not going to be satisfied with his response, but that doesn't mean Jake's ignoring the issue.

Can you elaborate what steps have been taken here on the thread then or what options are being considered? You can't just say "steps are being taken" without elaborating and then expect for us to all believe you. There needs to be more communication about this than what you're currently giving us.

[Theos 423]

Just now, PrisonNightmare said:

Can you elaborate what steps have been taken here on the thread then or what options are being considered? You can't just say "steps are being taken" without elaborating and then expect for us to all believe you. There needs to be more communication about this than what you're currently giving us.

There's always a reason stuff isn't made public. I know first-hand the irritation of not knowing exactly what's going on with a faction with issues, with Camo's Army, however in my scenario I was a member of Army and still didn't know the full details, but I didn't make a forum post complaining about the faction. I waited to see what staff would do, and didn't expect major results in less than a week, and the end result of Jake's steps was Army dominating the server. Not saying DF is gonna dominate the server, but you have to have patience and realise you don't know all the details, and probably never will beyond rumours from someone who heard something.

This post is Stork complaining because he feels he is owed a greater explanation on what's happening to a faction he's not even in.

[Soappppp 220]

22 minutes ago, Theos said:

This post is Stork complaining because he feels he is owed a greater explanation on what's happening to a faction he's not even in.

I'll agree, I am complaining about their activity for sure. But all these points nonetheless are valid. They're just criticism of a faction and how its been "handled". Of course i'd love an explanation, but anything else coming forward is stuff we've already heard. Its a Tier 1 on US that has little to no involvement with any other factions. 

Keep in mind this isn't just me wanting an explanation, i'm just the one who made the post and felt like it was necessary to make it public. 

[Fetn 1,217]

20 minutes ago, Theos said:

This post is Stork complaining because he feels he is owed a greater explanation on what's happening to a faction he's not even in.

Now this I have to agree with, why is this post been made cause of GB wanting to complain.

DF may be inactive but literally Jake has a plan about what to do with DF since for a little while, this post literally isn't helping besides the fact of "oh let me complain about some bullshit".

2 hours ago, Soappppp said:

[Topic/Point I. : Uninterested]

So basically pulling a GRU?

 

2 hours ago, Soappppp said:

[Topic/Point 6: No Current Benefit]

Basically RU SOC to RU during war right now.... lmao

 

2 hours ago, Soappppp said:

[Topic/Point 4 : Lack of Actual Presence]

Literally RU SOC in a nutshell

 

This entire post applies to both sides, but you ONLY go after DF why though? You couldn't pass tryouts, you want someone else in charge etc like I want to know. Theres no reason for this post at all, the friend faction you HAVE to make friends if you're in a faction. I don't know what the hell you're on besides "DF inactive" like I mean hell sometimes I don't even want to play a lot of people don't want to play the server cause right now some people don't enjoy war, events, peacetime etc. 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Fetn

[Soappppp 220]

25 minutes ago, Fetn said:

This entire post applies to both sides, but you ONLY go after DF why though? You couldn't pass tryouts, you want someone else in charge etc like I want to know. Theres no reason for this post at all, the friend faction you HAVE to make friends if you're in a faction. I don't know what the hell you're on besides "DF inactive" like I mean hell sometimes I don't even want to play a lot of people don't want to play the server cause right now some people don't enjoy war, events, peacetime etc. 

What? I go "after" Delta Force because i'm a US Main, i've never attended tryouts because i've never seen any also lack of wanting to join. I would rather the faction not get wiped, if anything improve. Within the first 2 hours of the post they've already reached out about training GB/Rangers to move into DF which is much appreciated. The goal of this post wasn't to remove, or wipe anyone in DF. Again, I stated it in the post yet it feels like its being ignored, I just want some sort of improvement to happen regardless of what it is. 

I don't address the RU issues because I myself am not an RU main nor do I have enough interaction with them to formulate as big of a post as this. I'm sure as an RU main you hear about RU issues more than I do. 

 

EDIT: the point of the post was largely missed, i'll restate it again. bringing the issue on the forums FORCES people to look at it and take some sort of action. it quite literally forces change to happen sooner than later. finding middle ground is super important so i'm happy to see it happen. 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Soappppp
addition to statement.

[Fetn 1,217]

5 minutes ago, Soappppp said:

bringing the issue on the forums FORCES people to look at it and take some sort of action.

Bringing it to forums, when you're more so suppose to bring it to Jake in this case? There is no reason to take it to forums without talking to Jake first, once he responds then you got his answer... because no matter what ultimately its up to Jake in the end. He can just say "no fuck off" and this entire post is just nothing.

EDIT

Literally RU leadership is in the SAME situation

 

Our SOC are currently just fucked, do we go to forums and say stupid shit saying "we need to force the people to do something" no we take it to the executives for something to be done. 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Fetn