Delta Force Primary Weapon Change

[acer 636]

Description: [description of what you are suggesting, one paragraph minimum]

Fairly simple, either change the Delta Force P90 to the HK416 (new addon), or buff the P90’s spread. 

 

Reasoning: [how would this benefit our server?]

It's no secret that the Delta Force P90 has pretty much been unusable since it's reintroduction into the server and Delta Force. This suggestion would've been made a while ago, but considering Ozzy had literally just asked for it, we figured it would be best to just give it a little time. That little bit of time has passed, and the P90 continues to be fairly unusable. Unusable to the point where Delta Force tryout sims consist of mainly RNG battles, with spread being the deciding factor (or at least in my experience as CPT). This leads me to two options which I think would make the most sense.

OPTION 1: With a new emphasis on faction weapons, I figured that it would be best to give Delta Force a new weapon. Considering that the P90 has 50 rounds, it makes it fairly hard to balance. Many concerns that are given are simply outweighed by the fact that it “has 50 rounds”, which is totally valid. Rather than dealing with that balancing, I figure it might be easier to add in more of a lore-realistic gun that can also get the job done. I am not suggesting the actual values, that would be entirely up to Garnet. I believe basing it SOMEWHAT around the M4 SOPMOD's current values would work fine.

OPTION 2: Buff the P90. This option seems a little harder than the first option (in my opinion). Like I previously stated, the 50 bullets in each mag makes it rather hard to come to a safe bet when it comes to damage and spread. I think that the current fire rate is fine for where it’s at, and maybe even the damage, but the spread is genuinely just unusable. The current spread is 60%, and I believe that the spread should be somewhere around 25-35% (entirely my opinion), but this would obviously be up to Garnet.

MOST OF THIS SUGGESTION IS MAINLY JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION OF WHAT SHOULD BE DONE, IT IS UP FOR INTERPRETATION ENTIRELY, THE MAIN SUGGESTION IS A CHANGE IN GENERAL.

Additional Information: [Photos/Videos][/CODE] 

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=354842171

This is the add-on I am proposing you can use for the HK. 

NOTE: I BELIEVE ONLY THE FOLLOWING ATTACHMENTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED. THE LIST IS AS FOLLOWS: GRIP, SAKER, EOTECH (CW), AIMPOINT, ACOG, HEAVY STOCK.

 

If  @hysteria would like to add his opinion as DF COL, that would grant a huge insight as well.

 

 

Edited August 22, 2021 by acer

[Python 454]

+1 not much to say but the gun is utter dogshit and please don’t use the excuse “oh it has 50 rounds” cause realistically the fist four bullets matter and if all four shots just go all Willy nilly there’s not point on using it 

[hysteria 560]

+1

Acer said it best and I agree with everything he stated. P90 has been really bad for ever, probably since it was introduced. Me along with my faction members just run around with orsis and aek971 on doctor whitelist because out faction weapons fucking suck or else I would main commander class with a good weapon or at least a usable weapon.

[BrianTheilliterate 147]

+1

I'm not in delta force but when ever they do training and I get to use the gun its so bad the P90 has been bad the whole time it was in Delta force, If the server wants to move away from people only using Orisis and AEK they need to buff the class Guns for Delta force and other Soc Factions.

[Westt 171]

+1

Realistically, the P90 is almost not usable in war because of the high spread on the gun after the first few rounds. With the stats on other guns, like the AEK for example, you would get outgunned in every gunfight even CQC. I don't mind playing with the P90, but it needs a decreased spread statistic otherwise that will not be happening. I've always been one of using the faction weapons but with this gun that is not enjoyable at all. 

HK would be nice to have, but if a P90 buff is the way to go that should work as well.

[Zqrxzz 82]

+1
Ive been preaching this since before i even joined DF the P90 is just simply not good, ive seen recently we're trying to push more towards realism in which case the HK416 is the gun that the IRL delta force uses but even a P90 buff would be fine either or acer made a great suggestion and i completely agree

[Kurtle 298]

+1

I am all for increasing the emphasis on faction weapons and specialties. But when DF is forced to run around with AEK and Orsis on Doctor whitelist in war because the P90 is unusable, it kind of defeats the point. 

[Zedd 93]

+1 

even though I'm not in delta force I have used the p90 in tryouts/trainings.

The gun is shit.

its not one of those "oh you need to learn how to be good with it" its just unusable and terrible 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Zedd
Need to make better

[shrimp 764]

180MB for a fancy AR-15 with an absurd amount of attachments + dependent add-ons.

-1

[Fetn 1,217]

52 minutes ago, shrimp said:

180MB for a fancy AR-15 with an absurd amount of attachments + dependent add-ons.

-1

So... are you saying -1 to the HK416 addon and saying no to the P90 buff or?

Overall the P90 is legit one of the most rng guns in the game, now people might say "yOuR iN a TiER 1 yOu DoNT nEeD gOOd gUn" it is quite frankly impossible to even have fun using it. This server is for fun not having a rage fit over the entire thing about how 90% of the 50 bullets just don't hit due to aim spread. the HK416 is 180 MB addon which most likely garnet is opposed to so why not buff the P90 to make it actually decent since donors are gonna be worse now and "faction guns will be better" so make the P90 better so DF will use the rifleman class/tier classes. 

+1 

[acer 636]

10 hours ago, shrimp said:

180MB for a fancy AR-15 with an absurd amount of attachments + dependent add-ons.

-1

When I made the post I failed to recognize that I literally linked the wrong addon. The correct one is up now. Also, there's two parts to the suggestion.

Edited August 22, 2021 by acer

[Pencil 767]

On 8/15/2021 at 11:43 PM, acer said:

NOTE: I BELIEVE ONLY THE FOLLOWING ATTACHMENTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED. THE LIST IS AS FOLLOWS: GRIP, SAKER, EOTECH (CW), AIMPOINT, ACOG, HEAVY STOCK.

+1 to the addition of the HK. Initially I was against it cause of the incorrect add-on you attached being quite large, however with the fixed one linked and the stats you put (that being similar to the SOPMOD) and those attachments, I think it would be a good addition.

Only concern is that KK weapons usually have this thing where they render in all their attachments on the 3d world model of the gun too. Meaning if I equip a suppressor, everyone else sees I have a suppressor. This is cool and all but it can cause performance issues rendering in HD attachments onto the world model. Nothing huge but it should be noted.
Also he does say that they do render in the actual add-on description.

[Salmon 488]

Accepted

Option 2 will be accepted. Final value changes may vary

@proggy @Jake Lock/move pls