[MRP] Base Faction Class Additions

[Fetn 1,217]

I am suggesting to add more base faction classes in to the server which originally was planned by Jake to happen at one point. Now with this suggestion it will add more classes to the server allowing newer players to have access to different weaponry and to tryout for more classes. it would be beneficial to the server by allowing new players to have the ability to use different weaponry and try out guns that weren't here before. Also for officers this would give them more tryouts to hold so that old players who do not have the whitelist yet can get the whitelist by trying out thus benefiting officers and new players and older players alike.

Also for the people who are worried about how giving these guns to base faction will "ruin" the appeal to SOC this is just incorrect. The reason people join SOC are for the people and models, not because of some gun and if they do then they have their priorities in the wrong place. So giving these guns to base faction should actually reinforce the bond between SOC and base faction since SOC can help teach the  11B/Tali how to properly use the gun in war and train them with it.

US Classes 

US Army Demolition renamed to Army Heavy Gunner or Army LMG - garnet_m60  garnet_p226
US Army Demolition - garnet_xm1014 garnet_p226 
US Army Sniper - garnet_l115 garnet_p226   
US Army Marksman - garnet_mark14unused OR garnet_mark12 garnet_p226
US Army Grenadier - garnet_smoke_white garnet_p226
US Army Infiltrator - garnet_g36c OR khr_vector OR garnet_p90  garnet_p226 

Now with the grenadier classes this is something me and @Jackal talked about if I am not mistaken sniping needs to be countered with something else than another sniper and back in I think 2017 when the grenadier class was still a thing people who had that whitelist was told to use the smokes to help out their friendlies near them. They did this by throwing smokes to cover their push so that snipers who are head glitching 300 miles away can shoot them while they push to the objective. With these classes being added you would remove the Arsonist class and trade them out with Sharpshooter/marksman.

Afghan Classes

Taliban Army Demolition - khr_toz194 garnet_makarovpm
Taliban Army Sharpshooter -  garnet_dragoon garnet_makarovpm
Taliban Army Marksman -  garnet_svt40 garnet_makarovpm
Taliban Army Grenadier - garnet_smoke_white garnet_makarovpm 
Taliban Army Insurgent - garnet_veresk OR garnet_mac11 garnet_makarovpm 

You might be asking why does Taliban get snipers and explosives well with bishops suggestion this is essentially trading out the nitro glycerin for the Sharpshooter/marksman class. The nitro glycerin is basically a smaller version of the hand grenade, yes it may be fun to use but I believe that a sniper is better for newer players to mess around with in war than a one per life grenade. If the newer player does want explosive than they can join one of the many Afghan SOC that we have to enjoy their explosives/biological weapons. There is no reason these classes shouldn't be added to the server this benefits the server and the players by bringing more variety and fun. I do not know weapon stats or anything specific about their stats so hopefully all these weapons are tested before being given to the base factions.

If you have any concerns or questions put them in your response and I'll reply to them.
 

 

 

 

[Remake 226]

+1 This was done in the past giving base faction players the ability to play which ever play style fit them the most without forcing  to tryout for a SOC faction. I also completely agree that this will not ruin anyones drive to join a SOC faction, most new players will join a SOC because they look cool not necessarily always looking for which faction has the best weapon. 

[tanhk 166]

+1 arsonist is kinda bad, but sniper weapon is good

[Stoven0087 7]

+1 need more classes to make base faction more viable and more people that dont donate will be more likely to play and not just get on once and never come back 

[Theos 423]

On 11/20/2021 at 9:20 PM, Fetn said:

US Army Demolition - garnet_xm1014 garnet_p226 

Is this a suggestion to only rename the US Army : Breacher [T1] class, or is it suggesting the class be no longer [T1]

[Fetn 1,217]

3 hours ago, Theos said:

Is this a suggestion to only rename the US Army : Breacher [T1] class, or is it suggesting the class be no longer [T1]

Suggesting the class to no longer be T1 and renamed.

The tier 1 class can be renamed and given a different weapon. 

[Harris 112]

Again I love the idea but like I said on bishops suggestion, if you will be giving the L115 to army then can we find a replacement for rangers, as of right now the L115 is supposed to be one of the reason to join rangers since we are a “recon/long distance/sniper” faction how ever you wanna put it, if you give the L115 to army then you’re taking one of the reasons to join it, I suggested giving rangers the Barret .50 and just make sure the stats are updated, if that’s done then I can support this 100%

[Remake 226]

1 minute ago, Harris said:

I suggested giving rangers the Barret .50

I'm sure something like this could be sorted out with just an addition to this suggestion or creating a suggestion of your own, but again I don't think it is really needed.

2 minutes ago, Harris said:

if you give the L115 to army then you’re taking one of the reasons to join it

As already stated before, the guns are a minor factor as to why someone would join a faction. As incoming enlisted are joining the server they generally are looking the "Coolest" faction that they can find. 

6 minutes ago, Harris said:

L115 is supposed to be one of the reason to join rangers since we are a “recon/long distance/sniper” faction

Honestly you could look at this from a different angle. If Army enlisted are trying out for Army sniper then you can start trainings for those enlisted teaching them how to properly use while also recruiting from the group the attends those trainings. Along with that if Rangers are supporting the Army enlisted and training them how to use the L115 and being involved with them, then they will feel more "wanted" which in turn will make them want to join Rangers. Not purely because of the gun but rather the fact that a Ranger is teaching them how to play and win wars, in the end they will want to join you.

[Fetn 1,217]

2 hours ago, Harris said:

Again I love the idea but like I said on bishops suggestion, if you will be giving the L115 to army then can we find a replacement for rangers, as of right now the L115 is supposed to be one of the reason to join rangers since we are a “recon/long distance/sniper” faction how ever you wanna put it, if you give the L115 to army then you’re taking one of the reasons to join it, I suggested giving rangers the Barret .50 and just make sure the stats are updated, if that’s done then I can support this 100%

You join SOC for the people and models, how rangers should act is that they should train the army on how to use the L115 properly making them want to join the faction. Personally you have your priorities and every other ranger that thinks like this has their priorities wrong. Overall you should fix up your priorities this lone suggestion will not kill off the people wanting to join Rangers. Like remake explained I agree with him a lot. 

[Theos 423]

8 hours ago, Harris said:

replacement for rangers

Having checked the Snipers available on the server at the moment, all are in use except for the De Lisle which would need a major fire rate nerf if it was being added to a class. So chances are there'd be a repeat of a sniper, if this is accepted.

[Harris 112]

7 hours ago, Fetn said:

You join SOC for the people and models, how rangers should act is that they should train the army on how to use the L115 properly making them want to join the faction. Personally you have your priorities and every other ranger that thinks like this has their priorities wrong. Overall you should fix up your priorities this lone suggestion will not kill off the people wanting to join Rangers. Like remake explained I agree with him a lot. 

I said that’s one of the reasons, not the only reason, there have been a good number that joined or have tried to join because of the L115, and I never said I’m completely against the idea or anything I was just saying it would be nice if we could get something different as a replacement because going from 11B/A to a T2 faction you generally expect a change or upgrade in equipment, sorry that my suggestion and opinion  offended you it seems. And I know exactly how rangers should act, you don’t need to tell me.

[jas0n 84]

+1

On 11/20/2021 at 4:29 PM, Remake said:

This was done in the past giving base faction players the ability to play which ever play style fit them the most without forcing  to tryout for a SOC faction. I also completely agree that this will not ruin anyones drive to join a SOC faction, most new players will join a SOC because they look cool not necessarily always looking for which faction has the best weapon. 

I agree with remake. We shouldnt be forcing players to join a soc or spend money to play a certain way. Like Tali not having a sniper. 

I do think some weapon changes do need to be made.

For grenadier the class should get a primary weapon with the smoke. Most new players don't have donors and we should punish players for wanting to play a more supportive role.

Tali Demolition shotgun would need to be changed for something else. xm1014 is a semi-auto shotgun that is pretty insane while the toz is a pump and pretty ass. Toz should be replaced with the mp-153. This would put both Demolitions on the same playing field as both guns would be semi-auto and usable. 

[Fetn 1,217]

5 minutes ago, jas0n said:

Tali Demolition shotgun would need to be changed for something else. xm1014 is a semi-auto shotgun that is pretty insane while the toz is a pump and pretty ass. Toz should be replaced with the mp-153. This would put both Demolitions on the same playing field as both guns would be semi-auto and usable. 

The TOZ when I used it as a GM absolutely slapped cqc no matter what, but also the MP-153 would work too

 

And the reason grenadier doesnt get a primary is because i just copied the 2017 classes from marines

[Theos 423]

Accepted

The overall premise of this suggestion, and class changes/additions to base factions, has been accepted (sorry for the delay)

This suggestion will be moved to 'In Progress' whilst specific classes/weapons are being considered.

Please note this is means what is introduced may not be an identical match to what this suggestion has proposed, however the overall suggestion provided should be present when implemented.