hex_ 236 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Description: Add the glass plate, curve, angle and dome props to the prop blacklist. Reasoning: If you didn't know already, glass props act in a similar way as terrain, or part of the map, in garry's mod. They prevent m9k's weapons from penetrating props with splash damage, in a manner that is unique to a small selection of the prop whitelist. As I've stated in the post here, the rules heavily favor the defenders of a base in a raid. Multiple (sometimes more than 3) peeks, sniper angles from the very back of the base, and it is now common to encounter bases that utilize glass props to prevent splash damage. As long as I've played the server, a properly built base has always been extremely difficult to raid. However, in the past, not many players utilized glass props. Explosives were less common too, but players in general have gotten better at building. In my rule update post a bit ago I outlined a rule (max 3 fading doors operated by button per base) that would help, but glass props are uniquely punishing to raiders. Again, splash damage is one of the only tools a raider has at their disposal. Taking this away makes it impossible to raid properly built bases. Additional Information: Below is a list of glass props I've proposed to be added to the prop blacklist: glass_angle180 glass_angle360 glass_angle90 glass_curve180x1 glass_curve180x2 glass_curve360x1 glass_curve360x2 glass_curve90x1 glass_curve90x2 glass_dome180 glass_dome360 glass_dome90 glass_plate1x1 glass_plate1x2 glass_plate2x2 glass_plate2x4 glass_plate4x4 Edited February 28, 2022 by hex_ 1 2 4 4 Link to comment
DarkRP Administration Team ChrisRid 900 Posted February 28, 2022 DarkRP Administration Team Share Posted February 28, 2022 +1 I have only recently been told about this by a couple of people. It seems to be a high-level basing defence against high-level raiders. I assume high-level because it’s unlikely lower levels have found this out, or have access to RPG’s etc. Personally, in order to defend against splash-damage, I choose a larger base (like a warehouse) and sit everything further back from the main entrance. It achieves the same result but in a more simplistic way without requiring these kind of exploits. The only counter-arguments I would have is that smaller bases won’t be used as much so everyone will be fighting to get a large base. The vast majority of small bases don’t seem to get used as much as they could do already. Secondly, for any serious printer-farmer this might be devastating.. A raid is one thing (loosing some cash or whatever), but blowing up all 12, 16, 24 printers isn’t a small deal. Remembering that these printer farms add good numbers to the server population. Overall, it makes no difference to me, and it is a kind of exploit. 2 Link to comment
Candy_ 59 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 -1 rockets are useless with or without the glass, u cant use them inside and you also are not going to hit any1 cause there peaks are behind the 4 fading keypad doors, even if so the glass makes fun rp for hobos and stuff imo also dont you have multiple base dupes with said no collided glass? also there is more use for glass rather than making it no collided Link to comment
Deft 292 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) -1 While raids are a definite part to the server, it is not the be all end all. For those who take a more casual approach to the game, I think windows add nice detail to non-defense heavy bases (i.e. shops, hotels, displays.) In a defense scenario, it is one of the few tools that help low level players from getting absolutely pulverized by higher level players. Edited March 1, 2022 by Deft 1 1 Link to comment
sweet_banana_hips 10 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 -1 butthurt rocket raider sad he cant blow people up from the outside and actually has to raid like every other player 1 1 3 2 Link to comment
Pluto_ 686 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 -1 I am personally against *nearly* all building restrictions. Being able to use the glass in the way you describe allows for more unique and otherwise not possible bases. The community's creative builders would be more likely to do more creative bases in cool spots if they can guarantee their printers will be safe when the raiders come. * *Hope you guys liked the pretty colors! 1 2 1 Link to comment
hex_ 236 Posted March 1, 2022 Topic Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Candy_ said: rockets are useless with or without the glass, u cant use them inside You can use them inside. Being in a party with friendly fire disabled, as well as grenades being tossed through nocollide. Nerve gas as well. 10 hours ago, Candy_ said: even if so the glass makes fun rp for hobos and stuff There are the exact same props, with the exact same proportions on the whitelist, they are made of plastic and metal instead of glass. There are several glass materials to choose from. 10 hours ago, Candy_ said: dont you have multiple base dupes with said no collided glass No, they are made of plastic plates. 9 hours ago, Deft said: For those who take a more casual approach to the game, I think windows add nice detail to non-defence heavy bases See the second comment above. 9 hours ago, Deft said: it is one of the few tools that help low level players from getting absolutely pulverized by higher level players Chris' reply about low level players not knowing about this is quite common in my experience. 8 hours ago, sweet_banana_hips said: -1 butthurt rocket raider sad he cant blow people up from the outside and actually has to raid like every other player This isn't constructive, nor is it insightful. Go to shitpost central if you want to be an idiot. Edited March 1, 2022 by hex_ 1 Link to comment
Jaz- 338 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 -1 Glass can have more use than just for bases, but I’m all down if we want to consider it a fail base if you make a base with no collide glass illegal. Link to comment
hex_ 236 Posted March 1, 2022 Topic Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just to be clear (hah, get it?) there are multiple glass materials that you can still use, with the literal identical prop dimensions, they are just not made out of glass, instead made of plastic or metal. Example below Link to comment
sweet_banana_hips 10 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 15 hours ago, hex_ said: This isn't constructive, nor is it insightful. Go to shitpost central if you want to be an idiot. i dont care 3 2 2 1 1 Link to comment
rapts 133 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 hours ago, sweet_banana_hips said: i dont care based 1 2 2 1 1 Link to comment
Toddd 67 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 -1 all tho it would stop people from being raided by rockets. i dont think garnet meant for them to do that it could be a built in design and i see a lot of people using it for cosmetic builds i think they should stay in the game as they are a nice feature (Pluto statements +1) Link to comment
sweet_banana_hips 10 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 8:06 PM, sweet_banana_hips said: -1 butthurt rocket raider sad he cant blow people up from the outside and actually has to raid like every other player 2 1 1 3 Link to comment
Toddd 67 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 1:06 AM, sweet_banana_hips said: -1 butthurt rocket raider sad he cant blow people up from the outside and actually has to raid like every other player True and there is a counter to the glass but i still dont know if people are smart enough to know 2 Link to comment
Shin_Tsukimi 2,246 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I'm very conflicted, because I can see the side to both of these arguments. On one hand, If we remove glass it will be easier to raid people with explosives, which might help with the large amount of unraidable bases. The props can in fact also be replaced pretty easily as there are metal and plastic versions. On the other hand, If we remove it, it will mess up people's dupes, which I understand you can fix but a lot of people including myself do not want to go through every single dupe to check whether or not it will spawn correctly, and if it doesnt to then fix it. I also understand a lot of people have fun with these props, enjoying to build with them. There are solutions but a lot of people might not like doing the workarounds (myself included, I have a ton of different dupes I really don't want to go through and fix every single one that has these props.) Overall, I see the benefits in both sides, perhaps there is a way to cause the glass to be able to be blown through? Honestly I'm not too sure. For now I'm going to -1 simply because of how much of a pain in the ass its gonna be for everyone to fix their dupes, though if you have a solution to that I think the benefits would outweigh the costs. Again, I don't see spending a while fixing every single one of the dupes that include the glass props to work with plastic/metal to be a solution. 1 2 Link to comment
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