DarkRP Administration Team zbt_ 45 Posted October 14, 2024 DarkRP Administration Team Share Posted October 14, 2024 (edited) Description: Hello! Today, I would like to discuss allowing users to copy/area copy their own props using the advanced duplicator tool AND allowing users to save their builds for when they later become VIP or decide to try their build on another server. I should clarify immediately that I do not think users should be able to paste props. Also, I am not sure whether these permissions can be coded separately. Reasoning: There have been many instances of users asking about saving their builds to use for next time they play; only to learn that they cannot do so without a higher rank. While this change doesn't completely solve their problem, it allows for a new user to keep their build for whenever they decide to become VIP. I believe this change would bring more longevity and loyalty to new and returning users that are looking to save a little time, while still maintaining a fine line for the QoL (quality of life) between VIP and User. This set of permissions also helps to leave less of a time sink/paywall feeling in the eyes of new Users and can help to establish VIP as a rank or goal that they should grind for.Additional Information: I should also mention that most servers from back in the day (and today lol) would paywall VIP which causes new players to assume that VIP cannot be obtained without some kind of real monetary investment. Establishing ourselves as a server with no paywalls helps to alleviate this dilemma and I feel small changes like this gives our server good direction toward that narrative. Edited October 14, 2024 by zbt_ Link to comment
Horse 365 Posted October 14, 2024 Share Posted October 14, 2024 -1 This is allowed only for VIP players I’m pretty sure (unless you can also access it by leveling up like you said). Would completely defeat one of the big reasons I and hundreds of other players bought vip. VIP is a lot less paywalled than other servers because you still have a ton of freedom when it comes to job selection. If you want to save builds or copy them just go into single player and maybe in the future you can reach the level acquired or apply for staff and get VIP. 3 Link to comment
DarkRP Administration Team zbt_ 45 Posted October 14, 2024 Topic Author DarkRP Administration Team Share Posted October 14, 2024 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Horse said: -1 This is allowed only for VIP players I’m pretty sure (unless you can also access it by leveling up like you said). Would completely defeat one of the big reasons I and hundreds of other players bought vip. VIP is a lot less paywalled than other servers because you still have a ton of freedom when it comes to job selection. If you want to save builds or copy them just go into single player and maybe in the future you can reach the level acquired or apply for staff and get VIP. Normally I would absolutely agree with this notion. However, copying and pasting are two sides of the same coin in that: if you allow one, not allowing the other will create the exact same demand in the exact same place. The goal here is not to impede on VIP while allowing Users a covenience. 3 hours ago, zbt_ said: I should clarify immediately that I do not think users should be able to paste props. Not allowing Users to paste props is key in that they are still forbidden from the full use of Advanced Duplicator. Allowing Users to copy and save their build to a client-side storage does not impede on anybody's VIP. P.S: If people can't do it here then they are going to go somewhere else, but the key point is getting them to come back. Edited October 14, 2024 by zbt_ Link to comment
Vetements 43 Posted October 14, 2024 Share Posted October 14, 2024 2 hours ago, Horse said: -1 This is allowed only for VIP players I’m pretty sure (unless you can also access it by leveling up like you said). Would completely defeat one of the big reasons I and hundreds of other players bought vip. VIP is a lot less paywalled than other servers because you still have a ton of freedom when it comes to job selection. If you want to save builds or copy them just go into single player and maybe in the future you can reach the level acquired or apply for staff and get VIP. you no longer receive vip when you get staff now sadly 1 1 Link to comment
Bars 18 Posted October 15, 2024 Share Posted October 15, 2024 6 hours ago, heart said: you no longer receive vip when you get staff now sadly Since when? I never had VIP, and yet I have had access to VIP features ever since my promotion from T. Mod to Mod. Link to comment
Vetements 43 Posted October 15, 2024 Share Posted October 15, 2024 1 hour ago, MrPPenguin said: Since when? I never had VIP, and yet I have had access to VIP features ever since my promotion from T. Mod to Mod. no clue when but merk told me it got removed when i asked about it Link to comment
Bars 18 Posted October 15, 2024 Share Posted October 15, 2024 2 hours ago, heart said: no clue when but merk told me it got removed when i asked about it Just confirmed I still have access to VIP features hahaha Link to comment
ShankNinja 810 Posted October 15, 2024 Share Posted October 15, 2024 +1 I'm sort of on the fence on this one but I understand the want here. Basically, when you start off playing and don't have VIP, you are going to have to rely on a friend to copy your build if you'd like it to remain. Naturally, you'd need that same friend to help you paste it, or they'd need to share to you the file/paste and you'd then need to buy VIP. Since the above requires a friend to assist you with VIP, and since VIP can essentially dupe your base and place it for you anyways, I don't see any downside to allowing players to save their dupes, even if they're "reserved" for when they're actually able to paste it. If I were in a situation where I was able to save my base, and hadn't yet committed to VIP, this would be something that would cause me to further want to make the spend: Knowing that the second I donate to the server I can immediately use my backlog of bases that I've been eying from my Non-VIP windowglass will make it even easier to impulsively click Donate. Additionally, I would be more inclined to stick around on a server that allows me to keep old builds of mine, even if I can't paste them until I make the choice to donate. 1 2 Link to comment
Kicks 261 Posted October 15, 2024 Share Posted October 15, 2024 (edited) Please remember dupe was only originally added to VIP from Users because it was first exploited by average users to break the server and crash it, but nowadays it's purely for financial gain. +1 If Users could simply save constructs they liked I think that'd still be able to solve those two original issues. People can't exploit because they can only save, and Garnet still gets the funds, likely even moreso, from people wishing to get VIP for Adv Dupe. You can look at the (probably 100) historical adv dupe suggestion posts and they ALL repeat the exact same talking points btw, refer to that first in order to avoid regurgitating stuff about this. TL;DR - It'd be an incentive for users to donate for VIP, and it'd still be secure in regards to exploits. +1 Edited October 15, 2024 by Kicks 1 Link to comment
Bob Saget 2 6 Posted October 16, 2024 Share Posted October 16, 2024 I see what he's saying - He just wants people to be able to save their creations but not paste them. If that's possible at all, it's a great idea. Infact, I'd say it entices them to pay for VIP more often because now they have something they build a library on and want to use. IF POSSIBLE - +1 1 2 Link to comment
The Garnut Nutter 15,352 Posted November 16, 2024 The Garnut Share Posted November 16, 2024 This will never be a thing, many months a year Garnet runs at a complete loss (generally December-February and June-August is when we save enough money to operate the remainder of the year) I am NOT AT ALL in the interest of making our server anymore free-to-play than it already is by surrendering vip feature, that is just flat out asking too much. On 10/14/2024 at 3:39 PM, heart said: you no longer receive vip when you get staff now sadly Staff ALWAYS get free VIP. Link to comment
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