[Suggestion] Converting Juggernaut to a Prestige Equivalent

[Pencil 767]

Description: Essentially I am suggesting that the current US Elite : Juggernaut be converted into a equivalent class to that of Russian Elite : Prestige.

The converted class would have mirrored stats to that of Prestige;

Movement Speed: 224 -> 308

Health: 300 -> 100

There would also be weapon changes to match that of the Prestige class;

Ares Shrike:
Ammo reduced from 200 to 100 to match PKM
Spread per shot: 10% -> 5%
Max Spread: 50% -> 85%
Firerate: 870 -> 600

MSBS(New)-has similar attachments to the CZ-858, just needs stats changed:
Firerate: 800
Damage: 37
Spread per shot: 4%
Max Spread: 80%
Recoil: 38%
Hip Spread: 47%

Deagle:
Un-touched

Grenades:
Un-touched

Model:
The juggernaut model should be swapped out to a more agile looking model to fit the approx shape of it's prestige counter-part. There aren't many currently on the server that I see 100% perfect, though if possible since the Juggernaut model is a single model from a pack, if it's model could be replaced by another single model that would fit, that would work perfectly (I won't actually link any models that are out-of-the server's current model's to follow forum rules).

Class Name:
Class name swapped to US Elite : Specialist since it is no longer a juggernaut and more of an all-rounded class.

Reasoning: This would allow for US to have a counter-part for every Russian Elite and allow US to also have a 308 speed class. Currently Prestige is the fastest class on the entire server and the only class in the 300's. I believe this will bring more balance and diversity to US classes as opposed to having two designated tank classes.

Additional Information: Possible model that is currently on the server(Mask2):

I've had this idea for a while and have tossed it around a few people, to which it had relatively positive feedback, I'd like to extend it out to the rest of the community and get their feedback on this possible    change.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Pencil
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[Silo 807]

+1 Ares shrike needs to be more like pkm, I also like the new model you chose
pretty cool

[Wingard 38]

+1 Seems like it would be a fair change, that would also benefit the server. Would balance the speed difference between the two countries.

[Hofman2 55]

+1 US main but seems cool 

[Spencer 84]

+1 I think this would really benefit the server. Good suggestion Pencil!

[CodyDrax 135]

+1 real good suggestion. Juggernauts been pretty null and void for awhile now, it deserves some type of love

[Ting 368]

I 100% agree with this but it could create some problems. First of all, it would create a fluctuation if donations for jug/specialists. While this is amazing for Garnet as it would be 50$ donations, this would suck mad cock for RU. As RU has already experienced with the Nailgunners, it makes the game itself less fun when you have about 10-12 people all with the class nade/rocket spamming. Although I do understand the change to nades might have helped nade spamming, I don’t think the issues does not exist anymore. 

 

The things is, I could be mistaken. I haven’t played US during war since SEALs. And when I was enlisted in the faction I didn’t notice the prestige’s standing out as being crazy annoying. That could have changed since I left so I don’t know too much. 

 

Just to add on, I personally believe Juggernaut is one of the most overpowered class in the game. The thing is, many people don’t play on it and when they do they don’t know how to play it properly. I think that at this state Juggernaut is fine where it is, it should just be played more and learned better, if people do that RU is gonna have a very rough time during war/raids.

[Pencil 767]

2 hours ago, Ting said:

some problems. First of all, it would create a fluctuation if donations for jug/specialists.

Weren't you around when Prestige had the change to get nades and there would be around 8 on at a time for almost 3 weeks? Regardless there is still a large amount of the RU player base that actively uses Prestige and actively excel with it.

2 hours ago, Ting said:

I personally believe Juggernaut is one of the most overpowered class in the game.

The class has very glaring flaws as is;
1. it's head hitbox is basically the entire kevlar piece that surrounds it's neck,shoulders and head
2. it's a slow class that relies on CQC making it's long trips to the actual CQC objectives and locations very fucking risky

The class has distinctive counters and flaws where it relies on cars to get to OBJ which can easily be removed from the fight and they can easily be picked out due to their slow movement and large hitbox, meaning if you have 1-3 people designated to focus Jugg's, it basically makes them useless, considering if the person also only has the Jugg weapons, they have almost no way to fight back since the Shrike is ass at long range.

Prestige on the other hand, excels in almost every scenario and encourages flanking with it's high mobility good weaponry and nades. The class is an all around specialist and excels in every scenario possible. Prestige also doesn't rely on a vehicle for transport seeing as it is the fastest class on the server, it can actively get to the OBJ quickly and flank, whereas Jugg's are often predictable in where they will play due to their slow movement and heavy CQC kit.

[PrisonNightmare 741]

+1 for sure, seems like it would be a very balanced update to the elite class for sure if this were to happen.

[Jesus 67]

+1 giving US a prestige equivalent would balance out the server more. US doesn’t need 2 300 HP donor classes 

[Ting 368]

24 minutes ago, Jesus said:

+1 giving US a prestige equivalent would balance out the server more. US doesn’t need 2 300 HP donor classes 

THATS PERFECT. Sorry for overreacting about this but that’s a perfect explanation. I feel like from this suggestion could come four solutions. 

1. Nothing happens and this just sits in the sub forum for ever. 

2. This is denied because it’s to impractical or for other reasons. 

3. Follow your suggestion by changing the class completely. 

4. Simply add a class to both sides. RU gets a Juggernaut type class that is able to have nades with a 300 hp boost. And give US the specialist class that is described in this post. 

I personally believe that the 4th option could be the best as it would stop people from playing a certain side because of their classes but instead because of their factions/leadership and their overall character. Sorry if this sounds cringey but I think this is the ideal goal for garnet. (To judge a side not because of their guns, but their leadership)

[Nutter 15,197]

I don't think editing Juggernaut would make too many people happy, but I could surely introduce a new Prestige equivalent.