Amiss/Yurri ban appeal

[Tuna 380]

I am posting this for Amiss/Yurri as he is comm banned.

In-game name:Yurri

SteamID (https://steamid.io/ Doesn’t work on my account for steamid.io. (Account name is amiss810)

Staff members in-game name: proggy

Staff members SteamID (/id (name): can’t find it because i don’t remember his name on steam

Date & Time of incident: Early April (somewhere between the 6th and 8th).

Timezone: CST

Ban Reason: Cheating/ban evasion

How long were you banned for?: 999 years (perma)

Proof of Ban: Trust me 

What happened? (include any proof): Toggled on an old account, got banned, alted and came back for a while on another call

Why should your ban be removed?:

Almost half a year. This appeal is being made under Garnet's word that he said, and I quote “I'd suggest you give it a couple of months and take a peak at the forums/appeal” (cya around - Topic from Introductions and Departures by Yurri).

(After talking to Salmon about the situation back in May. Garnet told me to appeal in a couple months) I feel as if in the time I was gone, I’ve actually had time to reflect on who I am and what I did. I’ve seen the ups and downs of not being able to play on the server or talk to some of the friends I made there. However, after all of the time, I feel that my appeal should be seen, and voted on. Talking to Tuna, he said “The thing is though, alot of people who played then arent really around so it might be a little weird. Me, python, acer, salmon are about it.” (Quoted from discord DM’s. Can provide images if needed). Knowing this information pulled me to appeal, because I can infer from this that most of the community now doesn’t know me and can provide insight about my situation from an unbiased standpoint. So, to conclude this section, I will go over the reasons one might say I should stay banned.

Obviously from my previous appeals, there have been many mixed feelings about who I am. Some people in the community don’t like me at all, and some people were sad to see me go ath the time. From the people that didn’t like me, I can understand 100% why you don’t want me back. I fucked up big time, and hid something from the staff team for a long time. I never told anyone about what happened until post-ban. Accusations of me cheating were thrown out there (around February), but no cheating ever happened then. The reason I brought this up is because there is a direct quote from SA Jake. I heard this a long time ago (~May) from Python, and again today from Tuna. They both said, and I will quote, “Yeah, I mean to even quote jake. He would have given you another chance, but you were caught instead of owning up to it” (Quoted from discord DM’s with Tuna. Images can be provided if needed/requested). Not many know this, but back in February, Jake conducted a search on my computer for cheating softwares.

(Proof of the conversation from February 7th-8th, 2021 - Discord DM’s).

After he concluded his search and found nothing, he continued to tell me that people were accusing me of cheating. At this time, no cheat of any kind was installed on my computer. When the search was conducted, there was a sense in Jake’s tone that I remember. He was talking in a tone where he was very confident as he had me type in things like “Odium, Meth, SMEG, etc.” into my windows search bar. I could be wrong--however that day, if he found anything, he would’ve instantly banned me. After this incident, I don’t fully believe the argument that if I owned up to the incident the situation would’ve been different. Once again--I could be wrong, but that's just my take on this. Also, I feel like If I were to own up to it eventually, the situation would’ve been different just because there would be a decision made in the moment. Everyone in life has experienced this at least once--If something does something that truly makes you upset, and you hear about it abruptly, you are likely to make a harsher punishment on them. This is how I felt and felt this situation would’ve been handled. 

The other main argument against me was that I became staff for the server while on an alt. When I applied for staff, nobody knew who I was. It was a clean(ish) slate for me. I met all new people, and people started to enjoy being around me. Just from this, it can show that even with a bad background, you create the character for yourself in the present. Not the past or the future. Everyone has done something in the past that creates guilt in themselves or other people. However, after time passes, people start to forget about it, or you do something better in your life to yourself and/or others to make it up. In 2007, The Commission of Effective Criminal Sanctions organized a conference in Chicago on “Overcoming Legal Barriers to Reentry.” (https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/criminaljustice/secondchances.pdf Page 6-7). It brought together policy-makers, government officials, business owners, and people with criminal records to encourage employers to hire/rehire people with criminal records. The reason for this is because persons with criminal records or persons that have attended prisons are way less likely to commit another crime because of the punishment they have endured. In this case, I have endured the punishment of being banned from the community for almost 6 months. Also, a lot of older players from this community have been given a second chance from the ban wipes. Players that have been perma’d come back and have another shot with a ban wipe. Like I said, I could’ve let the server down for a number of people, I also feel like I helped many people on the server.

Now, what is tough is comparing my situation to someone else’s situation because I don’t believe anyone else has had the same situation as me in the history of GG. I could be wrong, but no appeal I’ve ever seen has to do with cheating, ban evasion, and then becoming staff on top of it. I had an original question about my situation and how it was being handled differently than other players who have cheated before and have been unbanned. After talking to Garnet about the situation and how it had been totally different, I was met with this: "Alright Now My support for you or involvement in the situation is over now that you’re trying to take the focus away from the bad you did, but try to say “but somebody else was a complete moron too” (Message sent by Garnet to me on April 7th 2021. No image can be provided because it was not messaged over discord, and for confidentiality.) In previous appeals I’ve made, I’ve never attempted to take the blame away from myself or put it on someone else. It can be seen most in my post from Introductions and Departures: “I never said cheating was something okay to do. I never endorsed cheating and/or told anyone else to. I had literally said in my appeal that I am taking full responsibility for using a cheat in december. so, before you get on my ass with an argument saying "he's [yurri] using someone else to take the burden off his back of what he did." I am not trying to take anything off me” (cya around - Topic from Introductions & Departures. Posted on April 7, 2021). I still take the burden, blame, and punishment for what happened, but even people that aren’t on my side still think the punishment was too harsh for what I did. I will try to format this to the best of my ability. 

“ On 4/7/2021 at 2:43 PM, Garnet said:

permanent community-wide ban.

Bit excessive unless he like used exploits instead of regular aimbot, esp  etc. I remember when I was banned I was playing SWRP and DRP still so if he doesn't cheat on those servers it doesn't seem to much an issue at least from my perspective.”

(Quote from Pencil, for my ban, on April 8, 2021. Quote taken from cya around - Topic in Introductions and Departures, Posted on April 7th, 2021.)

Finally, I would like to say as my last statement, although my impact is only seen as bad on the server, however, there were plenty of good things I did as well. After only under a month of being on the server, I led a faction, less than a month on the server, I became staff for all the same reasons. Someone saw something in me. They saw everything I could bring to the server, and I did just that. I was, in my opinion, a pretty decent and reliable staff member for the time being. I helped people in need, helped keep the server running smoothly, and helped keep it a good place for everyone. I have been gone for a while, and I feel like I’ve had enough time to recollect and process everything that has happened, so I felt like now was a good time to re-appeal under Garnet’s word. As the last part of this appeal, I would also like to give an actual sincere apology this time. Last time in my appeal, I apologized in a snarky way/kinda like an asshole, but this time I would actually like to apologize on behalf of myself and everyone this has affected and/or if it has affected how GG is viewed. I would like to apologize to both the staff team, as well as the executives. I made you guys look bad for a little bit, but only time will heal, and I hope to make amends in some way. I hope you can see that I am really being sincere here and I mean it this time. The final regard, and reason I want to be unbanned is because I really enjoyed my time on the server. I had ~650 hours, and I had a lot of fun there. I met new friends who I still keep in contact with today, and I actually found someone who can play guitar and that I was able to play with. Its moments like that. The small ones that really make differences and memories. Hell, I bet there are memories people have with the server that was with me in it, or that I’m a big part. And, there could be memories made with people that were given a second chance on the server--you never know. I am just trying to say, although i’ve fucked up in the past, sometimes, not always, but sometimes, it's better to look into the future of what's to come if someone like me gets unbanned, rather than looking into the past at someone’s past. Their past can be referenced, however, I don’t feel like it should be the only thing someone looks at when deciding something like this. Thank you for your time. 

All together, there are many mixed feelings about having me back in the community. I don’t know any of the executive’s standpoints, but I know standpoints from players that were in the community when I was there. Instead of being like my last appeal, (getting denied instantly,) I would like this appeal to be available longer for people to see. I also would like Garnet to notice just for the sole purpose that he told me to appeal after a few months. I would like for all of you who are reading this to take your time to read what arguments I have made, as well as all of the evidence I have provided to prove my point. Even if an unban doesn’t occur at all, or doesn’t occur in the beginning, I would like to know if there is even any sort of task I can do to further make up for what I did. 

Once again, I would like to thank you for taking the time to read all of my thoughts, ideas, and evidence I’ve put together. Tuna will be posting this on behalf of me. Thank you for your time, and have a great day.

 

-yurri

 

[acer 636]

Just like last time, would love to see it accepted, doubt it will happen. Good luck.

[Jake 933]

didn't you brag and say you were cheating the whole time

[Tuna 380]

7 minutes ago, Jake said:

didn't you brag and say you were cheating the whole time

No. This was one thing that was miscommunicated with Python as well. Python said the same thing as you and thought I had said I was cheating the whole time. I never bragged about it. Instead of bragging, I was apologetic about it, and never had any intent or idea to brag, and I never once said I was cheating the whole time I played. I didn't have any client downloaded or any software on my PC for the duration of my Yurri account, and never had any intent to download a cheat/use one after my first account. I hope this clears up any miscommunications. -yurri

[Jake 933]

31 minutes ago, Tuna said:

I could be wrong, but no appeal I’ve ever seen has to do with cheating, ban evasion, and then becoming staff on top of it.

Dex

Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. @Python you are actually a moron. This was my main issue, I am still somewhat disappointed that you didn't own up to it at some point before a method caught you, I would have allowed you to stick around and even remain staff as I have gone on record saying.

[Horse 350]

Now, take this with a grain of salt because I have such high standards when it comes to even considering a 1+ for these type of appeals. And that’s because it’s personal people have spent months attempting to fix their reputation and to fix their image of themselves so to see someone get unbanned just for being apologetic and addressing what he did wrong isn’t something I take interest in. I will now begin to explain why I’m giving you a -1.

31 minutes ago, Tuna said:

The thing is though, alot of people who played then arent really around so it might be a little weird. Me, python, acer, salmon are about it.” (Quoted from discord DM’s. Can provide images if needed). Knowing this information pulled me to appeal

To start off this rubs me the wrong way. It seems like one of your motivations for appealing is the fact that “No one else is around who remembers the bad shit you did” therefore you can give them a nice apology making you seem like a cool guy and they’ll give you the 1+. I don’t see any reason to why someone would want to appeal because of this (Unless your glad people don’t remember your previous image)

33 minutes ago, Tuna said:

I became staff for the server while on an alt.

Okay, I personally gave Oatlife a 1+ for alting and improving his reputation and honestly this is one of the only reasons I’m not going to support a community wide ban. Is because you were able to show atleast a small amount of change and maturity in the time that you Alt’d. But on the other hand Oatlife’s appeal was denied purely for the ban evasion and I don’t see why it’d be different in this case.

 

35 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Finally, I would like to say as my last statement, although my impact is only seen as bad on the server, however, there were plenty of good things I did as well.

Finally, I think the sentence I say the most in this community is. Actions Speak louder than words. If you truly used your time in this community for the good people would have the impression that you were/are a non-toxic individual and you like everyone else are able to reform.

My final verdict.

-1 to an MRP Unban, Forum Unban, and Teamspeak Unban

1+ to the removal of Yurri’s bans on Rust, DRP, or any other GG related server (Outside of MRP)

with this said my suggestion is to allow him to improve his reputation on other servers to really test his maturity after some time and people who can actually vouch for his change on the server I will be open to unbanning you from said platforms.

[Tuna 380]

21 minutes ago, Jake said:

Dex

Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. @Python you are actually a moron. This was my main issue, I am still somewhat disappointed that you didn't own up to it at some point before a method caught you, I would have allowed you to stick around and even remain staff as I have gone on record saying.

 I understand where you are coming from. And yes, I totally forgot about dex. I understand that you could still be disappointed with me and my actions. I felt the guilt from it knowing what I did was wrong, and I never told anyone about it--not even the people I was closest with on the server. You're right. I should've owned up for what I had done and taken more responsibility. However, if there is any way to make it up, please let me know. -yurri

 

 

15 minutes ago, Horseyyy said:

Now, take this with a grain of salt because I have such high standards when it comes to even considering a 1+ for these type of appeals. And that’s because it’s personal people have spent months attempting to fix their reputation and to fix their image of themselves so to see someone get unbanned just for being apologetic and addressing what he did wrong isn’t something I take interest in. I will now begin to explain why I’m giving you a -1.

54 minutes ago, Tuna said:

The thing is though, alot of people who played then arent really around so it might be a little weird. Me, python, acer, salmon are about it.” (Quoted from discord DM’s. Can provide images if needed). Knowing this information pulled me to appeal

To start off this rubs me the wrong way. It seems like one of your motivations for appealing is the fact that “No one else is around who remembers the bad shit you did” therefore you can give them a nice apology making you seem like a cool guy and they’ll give you the 1+. I don’t see any reason to why someone would want to appeal because of this (Unless your glad people don’t remember your previous image)

54 minutes ago, Tuna said:

I became staff for the server while on an alt.

Okay, I personally gave Oatlife a 1+ for alting and improving his reputation and honestly this is one of the only reasons I’m not going to support a community wide ban. Is because you were able to show atleast a small amount of change and maturity in the time that you Alt’d. But on the other hand Oatlife’s appeal was denied purely for the ban evasion and I don’t see why it’d be different in this case.

 

54 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Finally, I would like to say as my last statement, although my impact is only seen as bad on the server, however, there were plenty of good things I did as well.

Finally, I think the sentence I say the most in this community is. Actions Speak louder than words. If you truly used your time in this community for the good people would have the impression that you were/are a non-toxic individual and you like everyone else are able to reform.

My final verdict.

-1 to an MRP Unban, Forum Unban, and Teamspeak Unban

1+ to the removal of Yurri’s bans on Rust, DRP, or any other GG related server (Outside of MRP)

with this said my suggestion is to allow him to improve his reputation on other servers to really test his maturity after some time and people who can actually vouch for his change on the server I will be open to unbanning you from said platforms.

To start off this rubs me the wrong way. It seems like one of your motivations for appealing is the fact that “No one else is around who remembers the bad shit you did” therefore you can give them a nice apology making you seem like a cool guy and they’ll give you the 1+. I don’t see any reason to why someone would want to appeal because of this (Unless your glad people don’t remember your previous image)" I can see where youre coming from here as well. However, this is not the reason I included this in my appeal. I included this because there would be little to no bias on my situation. Obviously there are going to be people that remember me in the forums and on MRP to give an opinion. And some can bad, some can be good, I just wanted to reduce bias in any form of way. I mad my situation clear in the appeal, and I want people who dont know me to take a look and see if I should be unbanned based on how I came off in the appeal. There are still going to be people who remember what I did, but that can go both ways for everyone too. Everyone remembers bad stuff players on GG did, even if they're in a different time of playing. I knew people that have done shit in the past here, but I've learned to look over it and treat them as they are acting in the present. Like I said, everyone makes mistakes, but you truly respect the ones who make a mistake and learn from it. -yurri

[acer 636]

1 hour ago, Tuna said:

Finally, I would like to say as my last statement, although my impact is only seen as bad on the server, however, there were plenty of good things I did as well.

 

31 minutes ago, Horseyyy said:

Finally, I think the sentence I say the most in this community is. Actions Speak louder than words. If you truly used your time in this community for the good people would have the impression that you were/are a non-toxic individual and you like everyone else are able to reform.

Not sure why Yurri even added that sentence there at the top, that wasn't true at all, and was never true. In response to you Horse, everybody did remember him as a good member of the community, I don't know anybody that was a die-hard Yurri hater. There wasn't a single -1 on the ban appeal, everybody was in support of Yurri at the time. Like I said, not sure why both you and Yurri decided to portray it as other-wise, it simply wasn't true at all lol. In general, his impact on the community is seen as positive, just as a clarification.

Edited September 13, 2021 by acer

[Tuna 380]

5 minutes ago, acer said:

Not sure why Yurri even added that sentence there at the top, that wasn't true at all, and was never true. In response to you Horse, everybody did remember him as a good member of the community, I don't know anybody that was a die-hard Yurri hater. There wasn't a single -1 on the ban appeal, everybody was in support of Yurri at the time. Like I said, not sure why both you and Yurri decided to portray it as other-wise, it simply wasn't true at all lol. In general, his impact on the community is seen as positive, just as a clarification.

The reason I put that in is because I know that management all portrayed me as bad at the given time. Obviously I don't know if any opinions on me have changed, from management/executives, however, I do remember the community being in support for me, but I had to include that my impact could've been seen as bad because I know at least one person saw my impact as bad. I feel like my impact was positive, but I wanted to show both sides just in case. -yurri

[Salmon 488]

36 minutes ago, Horseyyy said:

Okay, I personally gave Oatlife a 1+ for alting and improving his reputation and honestly this is one of the only reasons I’m not going to support a community wide ban. Is because you were able to show atleast a small amount of change and maturity in the time that you Alt’d. But on the other hand Oatlife’s appeal was denied purely for the ban evasion and I don’t see why it’d be different in this case.

Oatlifes appeal was for Vet Mass. This appeal is for Ban Evasion. That's what makes this case different

[Texas 170]

-1 If oatlife stayed banned for ban evasion I dont see why anyone else should get unbanned when they admitted to evading.

[acer 636]

4 minutes ago, Tejas said:

-1 If oatlife stayed banned for ban evasion I dont see why anyone else should get unbanned when they admitted to evading.

Completely different scenario, if you weren't around for it and/or won't care enough to read and realize that, maybe you shouldn't comment. Not to disagree with your comment at all, just saying that if you are going to compare them in that capacity, it's not too fair to Yurri.

Edited September 13, 2021 by acer

[Kurtle 298]

It was always a pleasure to interact with Yurri. Obviously I will be biased but I believe he should be unbanned to be given a chance to prove to us that he has changed. Under my Marshalship, we saw the growth of Horse into a great officer and eventually a General under NDB. I 100 percent believe in second chances, and that most people won't take them for granted.

If Yurri ends up being retarded on the server, what is the absolutely worst thing that could happen? Like what could be so bad about unbanning a person. If he fucks up he gets banned. It's really that simple. 

+1

[Jackal 709]

6 hours ago, Salmon said:

Oatlifes appeal was for Vet Mass. This appeal is for Ban Evasion. That's what makes this case different

I'm confused then. Because the "ban reason" in the appeal is literally Cheating/ban evasion and even in the "What happened" describes exactly that.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

 However, after all of the time, I feel that my appeal should be seen, and voted on. Talking to Tuna, he said “The thing is though, alot of people who played then arent really around so it might be a little weird. Me, python, acer, salmon are about it.” (Quoted from discord DM’s. Can provide images if needed). Knowing this information pulled me to appeal, because I can infer from this that most of the community now doesn’t know me and can provide insight about my situation from an unbiased standpoint. 

That's the thing though in most circumstances people not being around and knowing relatively what happened means they are even more prone to being wrong and forgiving when they shouldn't. A prime example is Bleach who was incredibly racist and toxic yet was unbanned with overwhelming support solely because people didn't exactly remember the guy. While people being bias can be an issue the executive(s) shouldn't and if they are it'll probably result in them getting in trouble for it.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

I fucked up big time, and hid something from the staff team for a long time. I never told anyone about what happened until post-ban. Accusations of me cheating were thrown out there (around February), but no cheating ever happened then. The reason I brought this up is because there is a direct quote from SA Jake. I heard this a long time ago (~May) from Python, and again today from Tuna. They both said, and I will quote, “Yeah, I mean to even quote jake. He would have given you another chance, but you were caught instead of owning up to it” (Quoted from discord DM’s with Tuna. Images can be provided if needed/requested).

So what I'm getting here is that you weren't cheating while being accused but were later on? Also, I'm gonna be honest from a precedent standpoint the "We would've given you another chance if you owned up to it" gives plenty of players the opportunity to take advantage of it. However, I am all for being understanding in MOST situations but Yurri was cheating and went on to evade.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

The other main argument against me was that I became staff for the server while on an alt. When I applied for staff, nobody knew who I was. It was a clean(ish) slate for me. I met all new people, and people started to enjoy being around me. Just from this, it can show that even with a bad background, you create the character for yourself in the present. Not the past or the future. Everyone has done something in the past that creates guilt in themselves or other people. However, after time passes, people start to forget about it, or you do something better in your life to yourself and/or others to make it up.

It's great that you were able to play the server again on an alt and at least make an attempt at portraying yourself as improved. I'm glad that you were able to do that while you could but the initial ban was for cheating which holds a lot of weight and, depending on how long you were cheating for, can hurt the server for a decent amount of time at least in comparison to Oatlife Massing.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

In 2007, The Commission of Effective Criminal Sanctions organized a conference in Chicago on “Overcoming Legal Barriers to Reentry.” (https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/criminaljustice/secondchances.pdf Page 6-7). It brought together policy-makers, government officials, business owners, and people with criminal records to encourage employers to hire/rehire people with criminal records. The reason for this is because persons with criminal records or persons that have attended prisons are way less likely to commit another crime because of the punishment they have endured. In this case, I have endured the punishment of being banned from the community for almost 6 months. 

Let's be honest here in that the criminal record source you mentioned and you cheating on a gmod server are not 1:1. While it may be true, not sure if it is, that people with criminal records are less likely to commit a crime the stakes and punishment itself is ENTIRELY different. Furthermore, historically people that have been unbanned for cheating on Garnet have either gone back to cheating or resorted to being toxic. The only person that I know of that hasn't is Pencil but that could also be because of how he EARNED his unban and also the people he was/is around.

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

Also, a lot of older players from this community have been given a second chance from the ban wipes. Players that have been perma’d come back and have another shot with a ban wipe. Like I said, I could’ve let the server down for a number of people, I also feel like I helped many people on the server.

Yes a lot of people who were once perma'd have come back but most of them were banned for completely different things. I.E. anyone that was permabanned had reasons for it that could easily range from Mass RDM, Admin abuse, cheating, etc. ALSO, historically those same people who got unbanned from a ban wipe were a huge problem hence why Phantom, when he was still Super Admin/Community Manager, and I believe Garnet has noted how it was a bad idea and wouldn't happen again.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

Now, what is tough is comparing my situation to someone else’s situation because I don’t believe anyone else has had the same situation as me in the history of GG. I could be wrong, but no appeal I’ve ever seen has to do with cheating, ban evasion, and then becoming staff on top of it. 

I'm gonna be real in a situation like this what really matters is whether or not you cheated. I do understand that you could've had a lot of self improvement while ban evading and such but like you cheated on the server and would've ruined the server for the people on your side and the opposing as well.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

It can be seen most in my post from Introductions and Departures: “I never said cheating was something okay to do. I never endorsed cheating and/or told anyone else to. 

But you also tried to downplay the extent in which you were cheating. https://gyazo.com/588b8db18c9776cd1d96d3c569109c6d 
 

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

Finally, I would like to say as my last statement, although my impact is only seen as bad on the server, however, there were plenty of good things I did as well. After only under a month of being on the server, I led a faction, less than a month on the server, I became staff for all the same reasons. Someone saw something in me. They saw everything I could bring to the server, and I did just that.

But while you did bring good to the server, apparently, you decided to cheat and taint/ruin all of what you worked on. Then again though a lot of precedent and standards that myself, Phantom, etc have upheld when we were executives have, for the most part, dissipated. Then again, if you actually have potential, you can have the Blooms treatment where you are unbanned but can't participate in war. I'm gonna be honest though situations like that are counterintuitive because, at the moment, war is still the central focal point of the server and you would merely be on the server, seemingly, just for the pop.

 

Sorry to say but if you cheated on the server you should be expecting to never come back. -1

EDIT : Though I don't really care if you play other servers but it's up to their respective executives to determine if the ban should be applied there as well. Unless Garnet decides otherwise of course.

Edited September 13, 2021 by Jackal

[Tuna 380]

37 minutes ago, Jackal said:

6 hours ago, Salmon said:

Oatlifes appeal was for Vet Mass. This appeal is for Ban Evasion. That's what makes this case different

I'm confused then. Because the "ban reason" in the appeal is literally Cheating/ban evasion and even in the "What happened" describes exactly that.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

 However, after all of the time, I feel that my appeal should be seen, and voted on. Talking to Tuna, he said “The thing is though, alot of people who played then arent really around so it might be a little weird. Me, python, acer, salmon are about it.” (Quoted from discord DM’s. Can provide images if needed). Knowing this information pulled me to appeal, because I can infer from this that most of the community now doesn’t know me and can provide insight about my situation from an unbiased standpoint. 

That's the thing though in most circumstances people not being around and knowing relatively what happened means they are even more prone to being wrong and forgiving when they shouldn't. A prime example is Bleach who was incredibly racist and toxic yet was unbanned with overwhelming support solely because people didn't exactly remember the guy. While people being bias can be an issue the executive(s) shouldn't and if they are it'll probably result in them getting in trouble for it.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

I fucked up big time, and hid something from the staff team for a long time. I never told anyone about what happened until post-ban. Accusations of me cheating were thrown out there (around February), but no cheating ever happened then. The reason I brought this up is because there is a direct quote from SA Jake. I heard this a long time ago (~May) from Python, and again today from Tuna. They both said, and I will quote, “Yeah, I mean to even quote jake. He would have given you another chance, but you were caught instead of owning up to it” (Quoted from discord DM’s with Tuna. Images can be provided if needed/requested).

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So what I'm getting here is that you hid that you were cheating from the staff team but when accusations were initially thrown out you weren't? Also, I'm gonna be honest from a precedent standpoint the "We would've given you another chance if you owned up to it" gives plenty of players the opportunity to take advantage of it. However, I am all for being understanding in MOST situations but Yurri was cheating albeit I don't know for how long.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

The other main argument against me was that I became staff for the server while on an alt. When I applied for staff, nobody knew who I was. It was a clean(ish) slate for me. I met all new people, and people started to enjoy being around me. Just from this, it can show that even with a bad background, you create the character for yourself in the present. Not the past or the future. Everyone has done something in the past that creates guilt in themselves or other people. However, after time passes, people start to forget about it, or you do something better in your life to yourself and/or others to make it up.

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It's great that you were able to play the server again on an alt and at least make an attempt at portraying yourself as improved. I'm glad that you were able to do that while you could but the initial ban was for cheating which holds a lot of weight and, depending on how long you were cheating for, can hurt the server for a decent amount of time at least in comparison to Oatlife Massing.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

In 2007, The Commission of Effective Criminal Sanctions organized a conference in Chicago on “Overcoming Legal Barriers to Reentry.” (https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/criminaljustice/secondchances.pdf Page 6-7). It brought together policy-makers, government officials, business owners, and people with criminal records to encourage employers to hire/rehire people with criminal records. The reason for this is because persons with criminal records or persons that have attended prisons are way less likely to commit another crime because of the punishment they have endured. In this case, I have endured the punishment of being banned from the community for almost 6 months. 

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Let's be honest here in that the criminal record source you mentioned and you cheating on a gmod server are not 1:1. While it may be true, not sure if it is, that people with criminal records are less likely to commit a crime the stakes and punishment itself is ENTIRELY different. Furthermore, historically people that have been unbanned for cheating on Garnet have either gone back to cheating or resorted to being toxic. The only person that I know of that hasn't is Pencil but that could also be because of how he EARNED his unban and also the people he was/is around.

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

Also, a lot of older players from this community have been given a second chance from the ban wipes. Players that have been perma’d come back and have another shot with a ban wipe. Like I said, I could’ve let the server down for a number of people, I also feel like I helped many people on the server.

Yes a lot of people who were once perma'd have come back but most of them were banned for completely different things. I.E. anyone that was permabanned had reasons for it that could easily range from Mass RDM, Admin abuse, cheating, etc. ALSO, historically those same people who got unbanned from a ban wipe were a huge problem hence why Phantom, when he was still Super Admin/Community Manager, and I believe Garnet have noted how it was a bad idea and wouldn't happen again.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

Now, what is tough is comparing my situation to someone else’s situation because I don’t believe anyone else has had the same situation as me in the history of GG. I could be wrong, but no appeal I’ve ever seen has to do with cheating, ban evasion, and then becoming staff on top of it. 

I'm gonna be real in a situation like this what really matters is whether or not you cheated. I do understand that you could've had a lot of self improvement while ban evading and such but like you cheated on the server and would've ruined the server for the people on your side and the opposing as well.

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

It can be seen most in my post from Introductions and Departures: “I never said cheating was something okay to do. I never endorsed cheating and/or told anyone else to. 

But you also tried to downplay the extent in which you were cheating. https://gyazo.com/588b8db18c9776cd1d96d3c569109c6d 
 

 

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

Finally, I would like to say as my last statement, although my impact is only seen as bad on the server, however, there were plenty of good things I did as well. After only under a month of being on the server, I led a faction, less than a month on the server, I became staff for all the same reasons. Someone saw something in me. They saw everything I could bring to the server, and I did just that.

But while you did bring good to the server, apparently, you decided to cheat and taint/ruin all of what you worked on. Then again though a lot of precedent and standards that myself, Phantom, etc have upheld when we were executives have, for the most part, dissipated. Then again, if you actually have potential, you can have the Blooms treatment where you are unbanned but can't participate in war. I'm gonna be honest though situations like that are counterintuitive because, at the moment, war is still the central focal point of the server and you would merely be on the server, seemingly, just for the pop.

 

Sorry to say but if you cheated on the server you should be expecting to never come back. -1

"first off, I was never cheating when I was on the staff team. I never cheated while on my Yurri account, which was explained in posts above. You go on to say i ruined everything I worked on. When I toggled, it was before the account that I made a good reputation for myself. When you go on to say I should never be a part of the server/on the server, From what I posted, can argue the same. I had exact words fro garnet to check out forums and to appeal after a couple months. (cya around - Topic in Introductions and Departures). You go on to say that i attemped to downplay the extent ive cheated on. nowhere in any of my posts have I dont that/tried to do it. Finally, the criminal record source is not only for cheating incidents. An example could be Horse. He was banned for toxicity. (im not sure how many times, but it happened). he came back, and now according to Kurt, he is a great officer. They are things like these where it can be applied to different scenarios, and that I feel it can be applied to mine. also, you said pencil earned his unban, in both of my original post, and a reply to jake, I ask if there is any way to make up for what ive done. -yurri