[MRP] TSFU Improvements

[hysteria 560]

1 hour ago, Nutter said:

So you're telling me you've been sitting there with the same classes for months, but had to wait on a messiah to make a post on your behalf?

Not quite, around a month ago I brought up the idea of changing some of the TSFU classes to Smity (For the same reasons Bishop mentioned in his post), and originally I asked for the SV98 which he denied. Then, I asked if the SVT on T3 could be moved to replace militant or combatant and he said "Maybe".

Smity has stated that TSFU is the CQC faction on Tali, similar to that of GB. However, TSFU's weapons are no match for the weapons given to GB.

GB: Scar light, G36C, M3 Super 90, XM1014, and the M14
TSFU: MP40, G3A3, M620, SVT40.

The Scarlight is one of, if not the best AR on the server. The SVT40 is only on T3 for TSFU while M14 has it's own class, and the G3A3 is only viable during certain tik rates. 

If TSFU is considered to be a CQC SOC faction, that would make 055th also be a CQC SOC faction by using the same logic. 

055th: AK103, Veresk, MP153, PKM, and the M1 Carbine. (AR, SMG, Shotgun, LMG, DMR)
TSFU: MP40, G3A3, M620, SVT40. (SMG, AR, Shotgun, DMR)

Neither TSFU nor 055th have a sniper rifle, meanwhile DF and Rangers have sniper rifles. Also not to mention that the AK103 given to 055th is tied w/ the scar light for being the strongest AR. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by hysteria

[Reynolds 69]

1 minute ago, hysteria said:

Not quite, around a month ago I brought up the idea of changing some of the TSFU classes to Smity (For the same reasons Bishop mentioned in his post), and originally I asked for the SV98 which he denied. Then, I asked if the SVT on T3 could be moved to replace militant or combatant and he said "Maybe".

Smity has stated that TSFU is the CQC faction on Tali, similar to that of GB. However, TSFU's weapons are no match for the weapons given to GB.

GB: Scar light, G36C, M3 Super 90, XM1014, and the M14
TSFU: MP40, G3A3, M620, SVT40.

The Scarlight is one of, if not the best AR on the server. The SVT40 is only on T3 for TSFU while M14 has it's own class, and the G3A3 is only viable during certain tik rates.

+1

 

[Shwade 85]

+1 

These TSFU changes can bring more light to the faction. 

[Nutter 15,162]

10 hours ago, hysteria said:

Not quite, around a month ago I brought up the idea of changing some of the TSFU classes to Smity (For the same reasons Bishop mentioned in his post), and originally I asked for the SV98 which he denied. Then, I asked if the SVT on T3 could be moved to replace militant or combatant and he said "Maybe".

Smity also denied Bishop's ideas, but he went ahead and posted them publicly to see what the community thinks. Just giving you room for thought incase you ever want things changed and think the most appropriate route is to directly contact a staff member.

Much more likely to be implemented when going through the forums

[Smity_ 257]

11 hours ago, hysteria said:

Neither TSFU nor 055th have a sniper rifle, meanwhile DF and Rangers have sniper rifles. Also not to mention that the AK103 given to 055th is tied w/ the scar light for being the strongest AR. 

Range vs Explosives. Can't have both. That's all thats needed to be said. At least on my end.

On 2/19/2023 at 10:07 PM, Ziggy said:

but Red Group has been left out to dry. 

I see this completely wrong. the MP-40 can out gun most weapons as the moment. They have a suicide bomb unlike any other faction.
055th has the M1 Carbine which can one shot headshot I believe. and basically Guaranteed 2 shot. 

Only thing I might agree with in this suggestion is the SVT-40 being moved. Otherwise a Sniper with the Suicide Bomb is very unlikely. 

[Ziggy 1,353]

47 minutes ago, Smity_ said:

Range vs Explosives. Can't have both. 

I don’t know why one acts as a substitute for another because that’s a very bad business model. Secondly, let’s take a look at a US faction that definitely has both: 

Ranger : Ghost has an SR-338.

Ranger : Engineer has a proxy mine.

Ranger : Marksman has an M14.

Ranger : Commander has both a UGL and SR-338.

Ranger : Infringer has 4 nades across the class.

Ranger : Combat Medic has a UGL. 
 

I don’t know man, it really seems like you can have both and many factions do. 

 

47 minutes ago, Smity_ said:

the MP-40 can out gun most weapons as the moment. They have a suicide bomb unlike any other faction.

While the MP-40 is a solid SMG, it doesn’t help TSFU with its lack of range. Using suicide bomber as an additional reason for not giving them any range is also not a very solid business model because it only has one slot. That class is powerful, yes, but is already limited to one player as it’s balancing act. 
 

47 minutes ago, Smity_ said:

055th has the M1 Carbine which can one shot headshot.

This was both mentioned and reviewed in the suggestion. While I think that most of the range should be on TSFU, it really doesn’t hurt to have a DMR class for 055 to use. That’s why slugs and the shotgun buff/slugs would be solid changes for TSFU. 
 

47 minutes ago, Smity_ said:

Otherwise a Sniper with the Suicide Bomb is very unlikely. 

Im confused here because I don’t think I or anyone else suggested that they want to see this. Unless you mean just having a suicide bomb in the same faction as a ranged weapon? Which again would be a poor decision because suicide bomb is already counterbalanced with 1 player slot as well as explosives existing on a number of other factions that have ranged weapons. 

Edited February 21, 2023 by Ziggy

[Smity_ 257]

On 2/19/2023 at 10:07 PM, Ziggy said:

garnet_sniper_sv98 to this class. 

You mentioned the sniper here.

I’m talking about A Sniper class and a Suicide Bomb class Is unlikely

[hysteria 560]

2 hours ago, Smity_ said:

You mentioned the sniper here.

I’m talking about A Sniper class and a Suicide Bomb class Is unlikely

But Rangers with the SR338 and the Proxy Mine is okay? Also not to mention the fact you have nades and the grenade launcher on your M4's and LR

Edited February 21, 2023 by hysteria

[Ozzy 1,992]

Accepted

While some of the arguing and reasoning on the thread was completely ass-backwards and devoid of logic, it still is clear that TSFU needs some shifting to be competitive. I’ll be doing a complete overhaul over their kits outside of their core 3 classes & commander. I’ll be making ranged weaponry more available to them, however not with an out-and-out sniper rifle. I’ll also add some utility to their 2 Specialist classes and redo their Tier classes to give better class coverage.