[MRP] Airforce Faction Changes

[Fetn 1,217]

So it is apparent that air force factions while trying their best are basically useless on the server. They do not provide much to the server an they are just a waste of a faction. This suggestion is going to be talking about a possible change to air force factions. Now for all the people in AF factions do not take any of these words personally. Let me get into a bit more details on the cons an pros

Cons

Lags the server quite a bit at high pop
Inactivity amongst the ranks in those factions
Most of the time AF has turned into friend factions
Makes loud noises amongst the new players making them question "WHY IS IT SO LOUD"
Makes garnet adjust the skybox on every single new map he makes or is changing to causing maps to take longer to come out
Helicopter spawns are a hassle to deal with

Pros

Looks cool
Transportation
Roleplay
 

Now people might be saying "the pros outweigh the cons" but in reality they just don't. When it gets to the point where GMs are told to utilize air force more because of how useless they have become in the server during peace time, I believe that is the final straw. I know the argument on the AF factions side is "we are trying" where was the trying months ago before garnet threatened to remove all of you? This goes to show how none of you care at all before it involves your faction being removed.. Also another point when air force factions are brought up the amount of controversy over rules an regulations during staff situations is in the dozens. There should be no need to have controversy over rules cause of one faction due to varying beliefs on certain situations. Now onto the changes

Faction Changes

AFSOC - MARSOC

   

models/player/spfrc_mskhlmt01player.mdl   

US MARSOC : Commander

Primary - cw_scarh 

Secondary - cw_m1911 OR garnet_p226 

Misc - weapon_cuff_elastic

 

US MARSOC : Sniper

models/player/spfrc_gogglesplayer.mdl

Primary - garnet_m82a3 OR garnet_m95

Secondary - cw_m1911 OR garnet_p226 

US MARSOC : Combat Medic 

models/player/usmc2player.mdl

Primary - fas2_ifak 

Secondary - cw_m1911 OR garnet_p226 

US MARSOC : Rifleman

Primary - cw_scarh 

Secondary - cw_m1911 OR garnet_p226 

US MARSOC : Raider T2

Primary - khr_p90 

Secondary - cw_m1911 OR garnet_p226 

US MARSOC : Sentinel T3

Primary - khr_p90 and cw_scarh 

Secondary -  cw_m1911 OR garnet_p226 

MARSOC will be removed as a premium faction and the premium faction will be replaced with Raider Regiment or something along the lines of that. 

Afghan Air Force - Blackguard

 

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Blackguard : Officer

Primary - garnet_sksd

Secondary - khr_p345

models/bf3_para/sniper.mdl

Blackguard : Combat Medic

Primary - fas2_ifak

Secondary - khr_p345 

Misc - weapon_cuff_elastic

models/bf3_para/sniper2.mdl

Blackguard : Commando

Primary - garnet_sksd

Secondary - khr_p345

models/bf3_para/assault2.mdl

Blackguard : RPG

Primary - m9k_rpg7

Secondary - khr_p345

limit to 1

models/bf3_para/engineer2.mdl

Blackguard : Executioner T2

Primary - cw_sv98 

Secondary - khr_p345

models/bf3_para/sniper2.mdl

Blackguard : Tajnid T3

Primary -  garnet_sksd 

Secondary - khr_p345 

Equipment - m9k_sticky_grenade 

Faction Tiers

Blackguard would become tier 2 alongside TSFU which feeds into 313

MARSOC would become tier 2 alongside Rangers which feeds into DF

Misc

The current officers of both AF factions would transfer over to the positions equivalent to the new factions

Only officers will be transfering to the new faction

Any questions or concerns please type them out in your response and I will respond with a brief and clear answer 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Fetn

[DankMemeBoi 0]

Would they still be second life factions or will they become primary?

[Flak 126]

+1. As it stands currently, both air force factions have become both useless and a nuisance. While I am not attempting to bash the airforce factions, as both are second-life, they have essentially become riddled with people looking to create a friend faction. Additionally, WAC itself is glitched, and tends to flood the logs or cause lag. Along with that, the inactivity recently in the two factions has skyrocketed. Not only have they become useless as they are very situational and rarely useable, but they would serve a better purpose being replaced with the two listed options. Many new players tend to ask, "How do I join AFSOC". Genuinely to answer that, they are essentially unable, due to friend factions, inactivity, and the uselessness of the factions. Overall, this may help diversify the current faction pool, expand in RP opportunities, and allow for better usage in war.

[PappaEric 90]

Currently, AAF and AFSOC are 2nd life, would MARSOC and Blackguard be the same or main life? Another question, since you're suggesting for MARSOC to replace AFSOC, would the dono factions be removed as well with this suggestion? Leaving my vote abstained for now.

Edited February 8, 2022 by PappaEric

[Fetn 1,217]

2 minutes ago, PappaEric said:

Currently AAF and AFSOC are 2nd life, would MARSOC and Blackguard be the same or main life? Another question, since you're suggesting for MARSOC to replace AFSOC, would the dono factions be removed as well with this suggestion? Leaving my vote abstained for now.

They will be main life factions, and they will lead the removal of wac also dono factions will be removed and renamed with the help of garnet hopefully. Since afghan doesn't even have a dono faction setup yet 

[PappaEric 90]

3 minutes ago, Fetn said:

also dono factions will be removed and renamed with the help of garnet hopefully.

Which one? I'm guessing renamed, but alright, either way thats fine.

[FordMason 22]

+1 in my opinion, AAF and AFSOC are very interesting however certain factions are full and veteran players may want a new aspect of their respective sides

 

 

[Fetn 1,217]

7 minutes ago, PappaEric said:

Which one? I'm guessing renamed, but alright, either way thats fine.

Both donation factions will be renamed when bought again.  with new models and guns most likely

Edited February 8, 2022 by Fetn

[Sustenance 1]

+1 Everyone is inactive in AFSOC aside from a select few, I 2nd this.

[Ozzy 1,992]

51 minutes ago, PappaEric said:

Which one? I'm guessing renamed, but alright, either way thats fine.

With MARSOC being introduced, then the US side can just be Marine Raiders. Afghan could be ISI. Just throwing ideas out there.

Personally, I’m for the suggestion. I know it’s another class/faction re-work and Garnet will want to test the strength of his desk with his forehead. However I have to agree that the airborne factions should be substituted with something that can actually be utilized. THEN, have a head pilot on each side who can certify a few pilots per faction to make sure there are people capable of flying the seldom times that aircraft are actually used.

As to the granular details: guns, models, names, etc. that can all be workshopped. People should focus in on the nucleus of the post. Get rid of airborne and replace them with usable, first life factions. Then have a few pilot certified people per country who can step in as needed to fly.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Ozzy

[Woods 17]

+1 flying faction aren’t really doing much atm and the addition of something like marsoc could help the server as an attraction for players to play on the server as long as these 2 factions get made into something unique it would be good

Edited February 8, 2022 by leansamuel101

[Larry_The_Potato 52]

+1 but plz give MARSOC Five-Seven

also commanders need the second primary.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Larry_The_Potato

[Theos 423]

Note from Executive

MP currently sits as an already 'In Progress' suggestion, and I've stated publicly multiple times before that I wouldn't want 2nd life factions, and that MP would be 2nd life. This means if MP was to be introduced, AFSOC and AAF would be taken off the server as factions and WAC would be used as Ozzy coincidentally suggested.

Reason for me making this note here is because comments seem to suggest people are underwhelmed by AAF/AFSOC and want a change.

If people do want the addition of two main life factions, then I'd request people comment explicitly stating that, as simply 'replacing AAF/AFSOC' would be done with MP introduction.

[Nutter 15,165]

I understand this has gotten alot of upvotes, but unfortunately, i'm much closer to removing AFSOC than adding more onto it. 

4 hours ago, Fetn said:

I believe that is the final straw. I know the argument on the AF factions side is "we are trying" where was the trying months ago before garnet threatened to remove all of you? This goes to show how none of you care at all before it involves your faction being removed.

As you even stated yourself - nobody has had much care for the faction since @Jake, and I would humbly say that the state of the server might even be in a really good state for the last 12 months, with the exception of AFSOC, that's gone from effectively an RP oriented faction, to just a bunch of morons spamming my developer tools with their WAC vehicles, that are being utilized for literally no reason other than "for immersion" or "to have fun flying".

When it comes to the suggestion, for the love of god, why do we need to further disperse the server's population and even bother with making this work? just doesn't make any sense to me. Seems like despite our population being in a very good place, you guys are just fucking lost as to what would benefit the server or be a good suggestion overall. Getting rid of a faction that has failed the server, effectively removing WAC would mean more players for our existing faction, plus SIGNIFICANTLY higher FPS for players.

[Horse 350]

3 hours ago, Theos said:

Note from Executive

MP currently sits as an already 'In Progress' suggestion, and I've stated publicly multiple times before that I wouldn't want 2nd life factions, and that MP would be 2nd life. This means if MP was to be introduced, AFSOC and AAF would be taken off the server as factions and WAC would be used as Ozzy coincidentally suggested.

Reason for me making this note here is because comments seem to suggest people are underwhelmed by AAF/AFSOC and want a change.

If people do want the addition of two main life factions, then I'd request people comment explicitly stating that, as simply 'replacing AAF/AFSOC' would be done with MP introduction.

With this being said I am going to -1 the suggestion. There are too many complications with removing and renaming the current donor faction to having to completely rework/remove WAC. If MP is already in progress than that would mean the addition of two factions 2nd life or not they are still as garnet said dispersing the playerbase and taking away players from current regiments that currently aren’t at its max potential.